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    Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Hello,

    I have the Luxman 595 class A amp. I also have the Yamaha r-n2000a used as a preamp to the Yamaha AS-3200. Ether system will use the same Sonus Faber Lumina II speakers. These speakers could be considered on the bright side.

    I don't know why, but the Yamaha setup(preamp and amp) sounds a bit better to me. It is more open sounding and the sound stage sounds better. The Luxman has the vocals and instruments more forward than the Yamaha, which I like alot. But the Luxman sounds more flat and closed when compared to the Yamaha setup. Why is this?

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    what kind of test / comparison did you do ? volumes level matched ? blind / sighted ?

    A lot variables and biases come into play.........
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Same speakers were used along with same source (Sony ES CD player). Volume matches as close as possible being class A volume is much different. For Luxman, I only needed 30% volume while the Yamaha r-n2000a preamp it's around 70%.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Strange combination of gear. You are comparing a 30w (8 ohm)/60w (4ohm) Class A integrated amp to a Yamaha 2 channel receiver rated at 90w into an 8 ohm load that you are using as a preamp into a Yamaha integrated amp rated at 100w into an 8 ohm load and 150w into a 4 ohm load. Your speakers are small with no real bass and are insensitive at 86dB with a nominal 4 ohm impedance. Maybe you prefer the sound of the mashup Yamaha gear you are using because you have more power and more headroom than the Luxman can provide to your 86dB/4 ohm speakers
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Speaking strictly of 4 ohms since all the amps I have do 4 ohms, and my speakers are 4 ohms....

    Yamaha gear you are using because you have more power and more headroom than the Luxman can provide to your 86dB/4 ohm speakers
    I was wondering about this, also. But if the Luxman truly had issues trying to keep up with the Yamaha, why would I only need to raise the Luxman volume 30% to get the same loudness as the Yamaha setup which I have to set about 70%?

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Speaking strictly of 4 ohms since all the amps I have do 4 ohms, and my speakers are 4 ohms....



    I was wondering about this, also. But if the Luxman truly had issues trying to keep up with the Yamaha, why would I only need to raise the Luxman volume 30% to get the same loudness as the Yamaha setup which I have to set about 70%?
    Possibly amplifier sensitivity for full output is lower on the Luxman gear than the Yamaha gear. It's certainly not because the Luxman is more powerful than either of your Yamaha pieces.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Same speakers were used along with same source (Sony ES CD player). Volume matches as close as possible being class A volume is much different. For Luxman, I only needed 30% volume while the Yamaha r-n2000a preamp it's around 70%.
    LMAO, 'Class A' volume is different ?? 100% audiofool nonsense !!! Volume is measured in db and a meter can't tell what class of amp is being used !
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    I am thinking maybe you just prefer the sound of the Yamie or the speakers are not the best match for the Luxman.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Hello,

    I have the Luxman 595 class A amp. I also have the Yamaha r-n2000a used as a preamp to the Yamaha AS-3200. Ether system will use the same Sonus Faber Lumina II speakers. These speakers could be considered on the bright side.

    I don't know why, but the Yamaha setup(preamp and amp) sounds a bit better to me. It is more open sounding and the sound stage sounds better. The Luxman has the vocals and instruments more forward than the Yamaha, which I like alot. But the Luxman sounds more flat and closed when compared to the Yamaha setup. Why is this?
    You don't need double blind listening tests and stuff. That is silly.

    All amps sound different. ESPECIALLY when you are comparing a Class A amp to non-class A amp. Different amps and different brands have different voicing of their gear. That is in large part what you are hearing combined with the difference in power output (though the Luxman puts out WAY more power than it is rated for).
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Same speakers were used along with same source (Sony ES CD player). Volume matches as close as possible being class A volume is much different. For Luxman, I only needed 30% volume while the Yamaha r-n2000a preamp it's around 70%.
    Hey Dman - FYI that is not how it works. Don't worry though as none of us on this forum were born knowing everything and we have all learned about hifi over time. Ignore the snarky responses and know most people on this forum are great and happy to help.

    Just ignore the static on forums and enjoy the music!
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Hey Dman - FYI that is not how it works. Don't worry though as none of us on this forum were born knowing everything and we have all learned about hifi over time. Ignore the snarky responses and know most people on this forum are great and happy to help.

    Just ignore the static on forums and enjoy the music!
    Michael, snarky ?? , whatever, when someone comes on a makes a claim that 'Class A volume is much different' , I'm sorry but that smacks of audiofool nonsense, agreed ?

    As for blind listening test and such being silly, again, whatever. But don't think for a minute that level matching volume level is silly, for if you do, look in the mirror, you'll see what silly looks like !!
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Yes, I was wondering about this also. I am thinking about buying a pair of Cornwall 4s to see how they two systems sound on the Cornwalls.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Yes, I was wondering about this also. I am thinking about buying a pair of Cornwall 4s to see how they two systems sound on the Cornwalls.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Yes, I was wondering about this also. I am thinking about buying a pair of Cornwall 4s to see how they two systems sound on the Cornwalls.
    I owned Cornwall IV's and they were very good speakers. They are super efficient so the Luxman will have no issue powering them. And at the end of the day you may just prefer the sound of the Yamaha which is totally OK. There is no right or wrong as to what sound you like.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Yes, I was wondering about this also. I am thinking about buying a pair of Cornwall 4s to see how they two systems sound on the Cornwalls.
    yep, easy peasy to drive for sure.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    And at the end of the day you may just prefer the sound of the Yamaha which is totally OK. There is no right or wrong as to what sound you like.
    Yep, I think I have a big anxiety over this. I feel like if the amp is not for me, then I need to sell it right away to recoup it's costs before it depreciates more. But, on the other hand... if it's synergy and I just need the right speaker to make the Luxman sound better than the Yamaha, then I would regret selling it beforehand because it's limited edition and hard to find.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Yep, I think I have a big anxiety over this. I feel like if the amp is not for me, then I need to sell it right away to recoup it's costs before it depreciates more. But, on the other hand... if it's synergy and I just need the right speaker to make the Luxman sound better than the Yamaha, then I would regret selling it beforehand because it's limited edition and hard to find.
    Synergy plays a HUGE factor. It's tough to know exactly how an amp and a speaker will gel - or not gel. If you got the Luxman used at a decent price you can probably recoup your money where it is a limited edition piece.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Just to clarify... I like the sound of the Luxman over the Yamaha AS-3200. But put the Yamaha r-n2000a as a preamp with the Yamaha-3200 and it's really impressive.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Just to clarify... I like the sound of the Luxman over the Yamaha AS-3200. But put the Yamaha r-n2000a as a preamp with the Yamaha-3200 and it's really impressive.
    I think you need to take a step back and not rush to a judgement on which is better. Maybe spend some time this weekend with a drink, listen to music, don't over analyze and see how you like it. Sometimes in a rush to make a judgment we make it harder. I know I have certainly been there before.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Speaking strictly of 4 ohms since all the amps I have do 4 ohms, and my speakers are 4 ohms....



    I was wondering about this, also. But if the Luxman truly had issues trying to keep up with the Yamaha, why would I only need to raise the Luxman volume 30% to get the same loudness as the Yamaha setup which I have to set about 70%?
    Forget about Gain , best to volume match between amps , that is play the luxman at the volume it sounds best and then Play the yamaha at the same dB volume level ( not gain level ), this will eliminate the power advantages ..!


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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Just to clarify... I like the sound of the Luxman over the Yamaha AS-3200. But put the Yamaha r-n2000a as a preamp with the Yamaha-3200 and it's really impressive.
    I don't understand how putting an inferior piece of gear ahead of a superior piece of gear makes the superior piece sound better. Granted, the r-n2000a is a darn nice receiver, but the As-3200 is a heck of a lot better integrated amp with much better components and preamp section.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by chops View Post
    I don't understand how putting an inferior piece of gear ahead of a superior piece of gear makes the superior piece sound better. Granted, the r-n2000a is a darn nice receiver, but the As-3200 is a heck of a lot better integrated amp with much better components and preamp section.
    The AS-3200 is too neutral and sounded very boring by itself. It's bass and treble did not have much effect. The r-n2000a as a preamp adds color to the sound.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    I just realized that the Yamaha uses optical in from the cd player while the Luxman uses RCA cables. Would that have a profound effect on the Luxman not sounding as open?

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    I just realized that the Yamaha uses optical in from the cd player while the Luxman uses RCA cables. Would that have a profound effect on the Luxman not sounding as open?
    profound ?, depends on your definition, regardless, any comparison that is not done with at least a semblance of 'apples-to-apples' will produce flawed results
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    I just realized that the Yamaha uses optical in from the cd player while the Luxman uses RCA cables. Would that have a profound effect on the Luxman not sounding as open?
    Usually the coaxial digital connection as you are using on the Luxman is the preferred connection.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    I just realized that the Yamaha uses optical in from the cd player while the Luxman uses RCA cables. Would that have a profound effect on the Luxman not sounding as open?
    Did you hook your system up or did someone else hook it up?
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    I hooked it up, but I am new to this hobby so I didn't realize about the coaxial digital connection.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post
    Usually the coaxial digital connection as you are using on the Luxman is the preferred connection.
    I just checked and I did not see a coaxial connection on there. Are you sure the 595 has one?

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    I just checked and I did not see a coaxial connection on there. Are you sure the 595 has one?
    No I thought you are using an optical digital cable on one and a coaxial digital on the other.
    I realize now that you mean you are using an optical digital output to the input of your Yamaha , but on the Luxman amp you are using analog RCA cables from the output of the CD player into it.
    That being the case it is possible that the sound could be quite different. In the Yamaha version you are not using the internal DAC in the CDP as you are using a digital output. By using an analog input into the Luxman amp you will be using the internal DAC of the CDP.

    So yes this could definitely change the sound as each DAC may sound different and you are not just comparing the sound of the amps as you judge each set-up.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    No I thought you are using an optical digital cable on one and a coaxial digital on the other.
    I realize now that you mean you are using an optical digital output to the input of your Yamaha , but on the Luxman amp you are using analog RCA cables from the output of the CD player into it.
    That being the case it is possible that the sound could be quite different. In the Yamaha version you are not using the internal DAC in the CDP as you are using a digital output. By using an analog input into the Luxman amp you will be using the internal DAC of the CDP.

    So yes this could definitely change the sound as each DAC may sound different and you are not just comparing the sound of the amps as you judge each set-up.
    Oh, I did not realize that! I have a 1990s Sony ES 779 cd player. Could the dacs in it be not as good as the ess pro dacs?

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Question please.... With the Yamaha r-n2000a, it has a dedicated dub line out. I have a REL t/7x sub. I can hear it really good on low volume on the Yamaha...I have the crossover at 30% and vol at 40%. But if I use the pre out on the Luxman, I have to turn the sub's volume and cross over up like 60% and even then it's not as clean sounding as when using the sub line out of the Yamaha. Why is this?

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Question please.... With the Yamaha r-n2000a, it has a dedicated dub line out. I have a REL t/7x sub. I can hear it really good on low volume on the Yamaha...I have the crossover at 30% and vol at 40%. But if I use the pre out on the Luxman, I have to turn the sub's volume and cross over up like 60% and even then it's not as clean sounding as when using the sub line out of the Yamaha. Why is this?
    You are comparing apples and oranges.

    Does your Yamaha have a built in sub crossover that may be turned on?

    You should NOT be turning up the crossover frequency - you want to keep it as low as possible. As for the volume on the sub, your Yamaha may be boosting the sub volume at low volume levels.

    I mean this with the utmost respect - but I think the Luxman may have been too big a jump too quickly. You should not be comparing it to the Yamaha in any way as one is an audiophile integrated and one you are using is an audio/video receiver.

    If you like the Yamaha - and there is nothing wrong with that - then you should probably stay with it.

    I'm going to suggest you find a high end shop in your area, build a relationship, buy from them and let them come help you get it set up correctly and find the right piece that will fulfill all your needs.

    Again - I mean this all with respect but you are going to drive yourself nuts and you won't find any happiness this way.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    You are comparing apples and oranges.

    I think the Luxman may have been too big a jump too quickly. You should not be comparing it to the Yamaha in any way as one is an audiophile integrated and one you are using is an audio/video receiver.
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    No problem, thank you. I am going to order a streamer to get a updated DAC to see how it sounds on the Luxman. Question, please.... later down the road I was going to also buy McIntosh 12000 and I will stop at that to complete my amp collection. It also has a hdmi input. Because it has hdmi input, like the Yamaha, wouldn't that be considered a audio/video receiver? I thought Mac was an audiophile integrated?

    Also, on a side note.... I was using old Monster cables speaker wires. I recently switch to Micca cables and it feels like it open up the sound a lot more on the Luxman (I have not tried them on the Yamahas). I can't tell if it's just the different CDs I have been listening to, but it sure seems like it.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Using analog outputs from a 90's Sony CDP is certainly not giving the Lux the quality signal it deserves and I'd say is the reason for your not being fully happy with the sound. You seem to have the budget buy yourself a nice Streamer with a DAC, Lumin, Esoteric, Aurender etc. You could just buy a DAC then use the Sony as a transport like you do to the Yamaha.

    I don't have hands on experience with your Luxman it does look to have a nice size power supply and shouldn't have any difficulty driving most speakers within reason.

    If you could borrow a quality DAC you can go optical from the Sony into the DAC then RCA from the DAC to the Luxman. If not familiar with the DAC this could be just another variable but you'd at least het to hear the Luxman at a more fair comparison.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Peabody View Post
    Using analog outputs from a 90's Sony CDP is certainly not giving the Lux the quality signal it deserves and I'd say is the reason for your not being fully happy with the sound. You seem to have the budget buy yourself a nice Streamer with a DAC, Lumin, Esoteric, Aurender etc. You could just buy a DAC then use the Sony as a transport like you do to the Yamaha.

    I don't have hands on experience with your Luxman it does look to have a nice size power supply and shouldn't have any difficulty driving most speakers within reason.

    If you could borrow a quality DAC you can go optical from the Sony into the DAC then RCA from the DAC to the Luxman. If not familiar with the DAC this could be just another variable but you'd at least het to hear the Luxman at a more fair comparison.
    Thanks, you're correct. I have on order a ever solo z8 streamer that I'm going to use. But it's going to take a couple of weeks.

    So, I really haven't heard the luxman 595 as I should. I also want Mcintosh 12000 and I feel some buyers remorse even though I haven't really heard the 595 as I should.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Thanks, you're correct. I have on order a ever solo z8 streamer that I'm going to use. But it's going to take a couple of weeks.

    So, I really haven't heard the luxman 595 as I should. I also want Mcintosh 12000 and I feel some buyers remorse even though I haven't really heard the 595 as I should.
    Hi - again - I mean this to help as I have made the same mistakes I see you making. You seem to simply be buying for the sake of buying with no plan.

    Why would you put that DAC with a Macintosh or even a Luxman? What are the speakers you own? What are the cables you run? How is your room set up?

    I'm going to say it again - I suggest you put purchases on pause until you come up with a more holistic way to approach this so that you don't end up wasting money and having more frustration.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Hi - again - I mean this to help as I have made the same mistakes I see you making. You seem to simply be buying for the sake of buying with no plan.

    Why would you put that DAC with a Macintosh or even a Luxman? What are the speakers you own? What are the cables you run? How is your room set up?

    I'm going to say it again - I suggest you put purchases on pause until you come up with a more holistic way to approach this so that you don't end up wasting money and having more frustration.
    Agree 100%. Throwing money at a problem without a plan, is basically frustration in action.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    I'm not familiar with Ever. That Luxman looks to be a special piece, I'd give it a chance. Especially if you've not had it long, break in is real. I recently purchased my Esoteric N05xd, I was going to give it back to the dealer, luckily we couldn't get back together for a couple more days where I continued to put time on it, the unit began to sound better over that time.

    Some debate break in but me personally I have sent a few pieces back because I just wasn't happy after allowing time. So if I end up liking a piece, it changed, not me. If something continues to annoy you don't just get used to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Thanks, you're correct. I have on order a ever solo z8 streamer that I'm going to use. But it's going to take a couple of weeks.

    So, I really haven't heard the luxman 595 as I should. I also want Mcintosh 12000 and I feel some buyers remorse even though I haven't really heard the 595 as I should.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    I have on order an ever solo z8 streamer that I'm going to use. But it's going to take a couple of weeks.
    Just an FYI, EverSolo DAC-Z8 is just a DAC, not a streamer, but it should serve well as a DAC.

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    Why would you put that DAC with a Macintosh or even a Luxman?
    What would be wrong with using that DAC? Seems like a well engineered DAC with an ES9038PRO chip. Although no good reason to use it with McIntosh MA12000 since it already comes with a DA2 module, but should work well with a Luxman.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelsMinute View Post
    I suggest you put purchases on pause until you come up with a more holistic way to approach this so that you don't end up wasting money and having more frustration.
    Thanks, I am new to this hobby and still trying to figure things out. For instance, a local hifi shop has a McIntosh 1200 and Focal Kanta 2 speakers that I like. But that shop does not have luxmans to compare against or Cornwall 4 speakers to compare with. The only thing I can think of is just buying the equipment and if it does not sound right, send it back or sale it. Is there a better way to go about that?

    EDIT: Forgot to mention I use Sonus Faber Lumina II speakers. The cables I am using are Micca 14 gauge.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    You say the shop is local, why not take your Luxman in and have a comparison on the Focal speakers against the Mac? If that's possible be sure the shop uses same CDP or DAC on both amps. This would mean bypassing the 12000's internal DAC. In order to make a decision everything should be as same as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Thanks, I am new to this hobby and still trying to figure things out. For instance, a local hifi shop has a McIntosh 1200 and Focal Kanta 2 speakers that I like. But that shop does not have luxmans to compare against or Cornwall 4 speakers to compare with. The only thing I can think of is just buying the equipment and if it does not sound right, send it back or sale it. Is there a better way to go about that?
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Because I still cannot cross shop the speakers.

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    Because I still cannot cross shop the speakers.
    Cornwall IV's are going to be a VERY different sound than what you have. They are not designed to have pinpoint imaging or the very last piece of detail in the music/sound staging. They are designed to be easy to place and have a larger than life "you are there" feel to them.

    I LOVED my pair and are only bettered by the La Scala's I upgraded to. They are smooth, non-fatiguing, amazing dynamics and and have a real rawness of emotion few others can match with fantastically low distortion. They are also super efficient to drive and anything with more than 2 watts (yes 2) will make them sing.

    There are MANY good speakers, but you'll need to decide what sound you like. To change amp, speakers and more all at the same time without knowing what sold you like can be a challenge.

    Even if it is a several hour drive, you should audition the gear first.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    I don't understand what you mean. The purpose of taking your Luxman into the store is simply to compare it to the 12000. If the chain is the same and all that changes is the two amps then you get an idea of how the two compare to each other. It's not to buy or compare Focals or whatever. It's simply for you to know if you like the 12000 more than the Luxman.

    You were talking about "what can you do", "should Isell this or that, buy this or that", I'm finding your responses confusing, random. Michael gave you good advice. However, you can't make a decision without some information or experience with the gear.

    Why did you buy the Luxman in the first place? What makes you want a 12000? Is the 12000 just something you randomly picked? If moving to Cornwalls you wouldn't need as much power as the 12000. The Luxman is a limited edition and if you sell it then find you made a mistake you may not get one again. Digital has come a long way since the 90's and you admit you didn't hear the Lux in its best yet seem to be bent on selling it.

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    Because I still cannot cross shop the speakers.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Another thing to try that I think would be telling. Take your Sony and connect it to the 3200 using the RCA's. Same way you connected to the Luxman. Then see how the two compare.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    The purpose of taking your Luxman into the store is simply to compare it to the 12000.
    Oh, I see what you mean. That is a good idea. However, I will still wonder about the synergy of the B&Ws with the 2 amps that I would not be able to compare.

    Why did you buy the Luxman in the first place
    Good question... I heard the Luxman 590 AXII on 20k Wilson speakers in a hi fi shop and loved the sound. I cross compared to the Luxman 507z on the same Wilson speakers and found the class A much more exciting. With that, I figured the 595 would be 'even better' and that is why I bought it.

    What makes you want a 12000?
    I went to a difff. hi fi shop and heard this unit with Focal tower speakers (I think around 6k) and really liked the sound. I also thought the 12000 looked uber cool. And I like it has a EQ.

    The Luxman is a limited edition and if you sell it then find you made a mistake you may not get one again.
    Very good point, thanks!

    My ultimate goal is to have 2 separate 2 channel systems and speakers. And I would listen to ether system depending on my mood. However, I found I like the Yamaha's a lot and I might have 3 systems in the long run? I planned on selling the Yamahas later down the road but now I do not know. They sound really good depending on the source and recording. On the other hand, it feels financially irresponsible to have 3 systems like that so I don't know. I mean I can afford it, but I could have just one system instead and have the rest of that money in stocks.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    If you liked the 12000 & the Focal, that's a clue. Maybe that should be one of your systems.

    If you liked the Luxman with Wilson is there a way to hear Wilson with your 595? If you like Wilson my bet is you'd like B&W. Not that they sound the same but to my ears they are more similar than different in a general way. I also like B&W with Mac, way more than with SF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    Oh, I see what you mean. That is a good idea. However, I will still wonder about the synergy of the B&Ws with the 2 amps that I would not be able to compare.

    Good question... I heard the Luxman 590 AXII on 20k Wilson speakers in a hi fi shop and loved the sound. I cross compared to the Luxman 507z on the same Wilson speakers and found the class A much more exciting. With that, I figured the 595 would be 'even better' and that is why I bought it.

    I went to a difff. hi fi shop and heard this unit with Focal tower speakers (I think around 6k) and really liked the sound. I also thought the 12000 looked uber cool. And I like it has a EQ.

    Very good point, thanks!

    My ultimate goal is to have 2 separate 2 channel systems and speakers. And I would listen to ether system depending on my mood. However, I found I like the Yamaha's a lot and I might have 3 systems in the long run? I planned on selling the Yamahas later down the road but now I do not know. They sound really good depending on the source and recording. On the other hand, it feels financially irresponsible to have 3 systems like that so I don't know. I mean I can afford it, but I could have just one system instead and have the rest of that money in stocks.
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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    If you liked the 12000 & the Focal, that's a clue. Maybe that should be one of your systems.
    Have you heard the Kanta 2 versus the B&W 804 D3s? I was wondering how they compare and contrast with the 12000 amp being used. I wish I could afford Wilson speakers but those are out of my budget.

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Good news! I got the Eversolo z8 dac and the Luxman 595 sounds a 100% better! I still need to get acquainted with the new sound so probably this weekend. Questions, please:

    1) For the REL T7X sub, that is connected to the Luxman's pre-out... the sub is extremely weak on it compared to the sub line out on the Yamaha r-n2000a. I have to turn the sub volume up about twice as much and it's still not a clean base like the Yamaha's line sub out. Why is this?

    2) For the eversolo z8, which I have been streaming music from my phone on bluetooth atm, is it ok to have the DAC volume at 100%? I can't detect any distortion but I was not sure if I was inducing some still

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    Re: Why does my Yamaha sound better than the Luxman 595?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dman777dman777 View Post
    1) For the REL T7X sub, that is connected to the Luxman's pre-out... the sub is extremely weak on it compared to the sub line out on the Yamaha r-n2000a. I have to turn the sub volume up about twice as much and it's still not a clean base like the Yamaha's line sub out. Why is this?
    You could try connecting it using the high level input.

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