Viola Audiolabs

**joeinid** · July 20, 2013, 07:39 PM

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Absolutely interested. Thank you so much for joining us.

Originally Posted by Ricardo Nonato

Hi Chr. R.,

Welcome!!!!!!!!!!!

**asiufy** · July 21, 2013, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Ricardo,

I am interested in your opinion of the Futura. That speaker is on my short list of ones I am considering. I really love my Evolutions and I think the Futura would be a logical step up.

Joe,

Are you sure it'd be a logical step, let alone "up", from your TADs? I mean, those speakers are seriously rolled off, and warm. If anything, they're the extreme opposite of your current speaker!

Do you want to move up, while keeping the same characteristics, or just try something different?

alexandre

**asiufy** · July 21, 2013, 06:07 PM

Ricardo,

It's no surprise that the Viola was better than the McIntosh... C'mon...

Now, the Amati Futura will play beautifully with the 150W of your amps. I used it for a while with both the darTZeel integrated as well as the stereo amp, and they handled it fine, even at loud volumes. So, if you have a chance to get them at a good price, go for it! But keep those Dynaudios, as then you'll be able to see how good they really are (versus a US$ 36k floorstanding speaker).

alexandre

**joeinid** · July 21, 2013, 06:12 PM

Hi Alexandre,

I ABSOLUTELY love my SF Evolutions, especially with my Dartzeel. If I am assuming correctly, the Futura might be a more and better version of my Evos. I have grown to respect my TADs. Do I love them? Sometimes. They do some things extremely well and some things I am not crazy about. I love having the ability to switch around gear/speakers to suit my mood. I don't know if I will ever be satisfied with one speaker.amp/preamp combo. Choice is wonderful. Would the SF Futura be a logical step? Nothing I do related to music turns out to be logical. But, I enjoy the variety.

Originally Posted by asiufy

Joe,

Are you sure it'd be a logical step, let alone "up", from your TADs? I mean, those speakers are seriously rolled off, and warm. If anything, they're the extreme opposite of your current speaker!

Do you want to move up, while keeping the same characteristics, or just try something different?

alexandre

**Ricardo Nonato** · July 21, 2013, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by asiufy

Ricardo,

It's no surprise that the Viola was better than the McIntosh... C'mon...

Now, the Amati Futura will play beautifully with the 150W of your amps. I used it for a while with both the darTZeel integrated as well as the stereo amp, and they handled it fine, even at loud volumes. So, if you have a chance to get them at a good price, go for it! But keep those Dynaudios, as then you'll be able to see how good they really are (versus a US$ 36k floorstanding speaker).

alexandre

Alexandre,

Thanks for your comments, I'd forgotten you had the Amati Futura.

I'm very pleased with the 25th, but since I heard the Amati Futura Brandão's house I feel like having it.

**asiufy** · July 21, 2013, 06:48 PM

Joe,

I know the feeling. I haven't heard the Guarneri Evolution, but I've heard the previous generation, and it's a very good, smooth speaker. Same for the old Amati. The newer Amati has a lot more punch, and will satisfy more than the chamber/vocal jazz fans, which was Sonus Faber's most likely customer base before.
Since you seem to have a facility to get good gear, I think you owe it to yourself to hear the Raidhos, one of the Rockports, as well as the Magico S1 or S5. You might just get both things you like (the Evo's smoothness and the TAD accuracy) in one package.
Or, of course, you can keep both speakers

But unlike electronics, moving speakers around is not so fun

Renato,

I understand. I was very impressed with the Amati Futura, but I've replaced it for a Dynaudio speaker that costs half its price, and it bested it in every significant way...

alexandre

**Ricardo Nonato** · July 21, 2013, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by asiufy

... Renato,

I understand. I was very impressed with the Amati Futura, but I've replaced it for a Dynaudio speaker that costs half its price, and it bested it in every significant way...

alexandre

Renato ?????? KKKKKKKKK...

What was the model Dynaudio? Did you saw the pics of Vlamir's event? I post in this thread, you will see someone you know very well... KKKKKKK

**joeinid** · July 21, 2013, 07:12 PM

Alexandre

I forget. Do you have the Dynaudio Temptation?

I put my TADs back in service. They really are amazing. It does make other speakers sound muted. I plan on hearing Rockport, Raidho, Magico and Vandersteens. I am not sure I can bring myself to sell my TADs even though I do complain sometimes.

**socfan12** · July 21, 2013, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Alexandre

I forget. Do you have the Dynaudio Temptation?

I put my TADs back in service. They really are amazing. It does make other speakers sound muted. I plan on hearing Rockport, Raidho, Magico and Vandersteens. I am not sure I can bring myself to sell my TADs even though I do complain sometimes.

Very interested in your thoughts on the Rockports and Magico, Joe!

**Chr. R.** · July 21, 2013, 08:07 PM

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**joeinid** · July 21, 2013, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by socfan12

Very interested in your thoughts on the Rockports and Magico, Joe!

It will not be anytime soon, but, I need to hear them.

Originally Posted by Chr. R.

At the risk of also becoming unpopular in this thread, it is my opinion, it makes no sense to compare Magico and Rockport, since they are designed with two entirely different philosophies about sound.

Can anyone explain to me, why Raidho get so much attention?

I am not fully invested in any one design being the best. I am more looking toward the final result. If I like what I hear, great. If not, I move on. How each speaker sounds compared to what I enjoy is what's important.

**socfan12** · July 21, 2013, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

I am not fully invested in any one design being the best. I am more looking toward the final result. If I like what I hear, great. If not, I move on. How each speaker sounds compared to what I enjoy is what's important.[

Well said, Joe!

**Chr. R.** · July 21, 2013, 09:35 PM

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**joeinid** · July 21, 2013, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by socfan12

Well said, Joe!

Thank you Allen.

Originally Posted by Chr. R.

Nice to read about someone else with an open mind like me. That's why I today am the owner of both amplifiers and speakers that many haven't heard about. However, I have through the process learned that certain types of products / brands / designs is not made for my ears

Maybe I look at specs but it's the final result that counts.

Which model Peak Consult speakers do you have. I was looking at the website and they look beautiful.

**Chr. R.** · July 21, 2013, 10:26 PM

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**joeinid** · July 21, 2013, 10:30 PM

Awesome Christian. I look forward to more info and photos.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Chr. R.

I own a Kepheus set, and then a set of Heracles still stands at Peak Consult. Heracles is tested by Tone Audio last year (just Google Tone Audio Kepheus), and Heracles is not yet on the Peak Consult's website, but is the latest stand model in the Serenity serie.

After 1-2 more post, I will also be able to contribute with a lot of information (photo and links) about Peak Consult, as I have come to know the owner - Per Kristoffersen - very well, and therefore regularly talk with him and also visiting the company.

**Chr. R.** · July 24, 2013, 04:09 PM

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**socfan12** · July 24, 2013, 09:07 PM

Christian, thanks for pointing the review out. They loved the Bravo amp!

Curious, which Viola amp do you have?

Mike, they said it was a particularly nice pairing with the Aida's. Just sayin'...

**asiufy** · July 25, 2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Ricardo Nonato

Renato ?????? KKKKKKKKK...

What was the model Dynaudio? Did you saw the pics of Vlamir's event? I post in this thread, you will see someone you know very well... KKKKKKK

Argh, my bad... I'm getting senile! You know, you think of something, but write something else!

Yes, I saw the pic! Now where's my $$$ for my uncredit appearance?

Ah, I've replaced the Futura with a Dynaudio C4 (there's now a C4 II). Incredible speakers, but need a lot of power, though. The poor darTZeel suffered, so I went with the Temptation, which was easier on it, but much more expensive.

alexandre

**asiufy** · July 25, 2013, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Alexandre

I forget. Do you have the Dynaudio Temptation?

I put my TADs back in service. They really are amazing. It does make other speakers sound muted. I plan on hearing Rockport, Raidho, Magico and Vandersteens. I am not sure I can bring myself to sell my TADs even though I do complain sometimes.

Joe, I had them for a while. Excellent speakers, but a bit outdated, IMO.

I have a Q3 now, while I wait for my Q7 to arrive...

alexandre

**asiufy** · July 25, 2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Chr. R.

At the risk of also becoming unpopular in this thread, it is my opinion, it makes no sense to compare Magico and Rockport, since they are designed with two entirely different philosophies about sound.

Can anyone explain to me, why Raidho get so much attention?

They're more similar than you'd think. The material on the drivers are very similar.
Rockport uses ports, like 99% of the speakers out there, while Magico uses sealed enclosures. So, the main difference between them is the bass. Rockport = fuller, with lots of overhang. Magico = correct bass, you can hear note for note, no overhang whatsoever.

alexandre

**Mike** · July 25, 2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by asiufy

They're more similar than you'd think. The material on the drivers are very similar.
Rockport uses ports, like 99% of the speakers out there, while Magico uses sealed enclosures. So, the main difference between them is the bass. Rockport = fuller, with lots of overhang. Magico = correct bass, you can hear note for note, no overhang whatsoever.

alexandre

Thanks Alexandre. That's a great explanation.

**Chr. R.** · July 26, 2013, 02:01 AM

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**Chr. R.** · July 26, 2013, 02:07 AM

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**asiufy** · July 26, 2013, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Chr. R.

It is also almost the only direct similarity I see. In what other areas do you think they compare in design or in terms of sound philosophy?

Well, if you want to be strict about it, then Magicos don't sound like anything else, simply because of their enclosure and sealed design.

The impression I got from Rockport is that they're transparent, like Magicos, but with fuller bass, due to the port design. I assume the transparency is due to the driver choice (similar to Magico), and the full bass is due to the big woofers and a port.

alexandre

**Chr. R.** · July 26, 2013, 12:12 PM

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**Ricardo Nonato** · August 5, 2013, 11:14 AM

Hello friends,

I've been traveling and I came home today, sorry for the long time away from the forum.

Nice regards for all,
Ricardo Nonato.

**Ricardo Nonato** · September 9, 2013, 03:39 PM

Friends,

recently I started some tests with Gryphon cables, VIP line. Installed a pair of interconnects between the Esoteric K-03 and AR LS27 preamp, and a pair of speaker cables. My speakers is Dynaudio 25th Special Edition.

I realized that the system was very analytical and transparent. High and medium frequencies according to the volume, even disturbing.

I have this setup two weeks ago, and the cables had one year of use, but were saved there are 5 or 6 months. Does it need more time to settle down cables these high frequencies?

Someone could help me?

Have a great week,
Ricardo Nonato.

**Mike** · September 9, 2013, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ricardo Nonato

Friends,

recently I started some tests with Gryphon cables, VIP line. Installed a pair of interconnects between the Esoteric K-03 and AR LS27 preamp, and a pair of speaker cables. My speakers is Dynaudio 25th Special Edition.

I realized that the system was very analytical and transparent. High and medium frequencies according to the volume, even disturbing.

I have this setup two weeks ago, and the cables had one year of use, but were saved there are 5 or 6 months. Does it need more time to settle down cables these high frequencies?

Someone could help me?

Have a great week,
Ricardo Nonato.

Ricardo - do you have any room treatments at your first and second reflection points?

**Ricardo Nonato** · September 9, 2013, 04:31 PM

Mike,

This room does not have treatments at the points you mentioned, this is a temporary room, I'm building another house with my final room.

My current room measures 4.5 m x 5.5 m.

ps.: Complementing ... the wall behind the boxes, has a huge curtain, and also have a mat that will my listening position to the boxes.

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