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    Nad c 298

    The NAD C 298 amplifier has finally arrived. I have had it in my system for a few days now. It still has a lot of break in time needed, but I have noticed it already smoothing out. I can see why it has been winning many awards and top ratings. Recently it received the 2021-2022 EISA award for power amplifier. This list is in this months Stereophile magazine.

    The sound is very full body with superb bass. The vocal range is excellent and its sound stage is one of the best of any amplifier I have owned. It is the first Class D amplifier that I have owned that I would call musical. We will see how it continues as it breaks in more, but so far I think it is a very nice match for my system.

    Another surprise is features, which is not something that is usually mentioned for a power amp. It has both SE and XLR inputs, fixed and variable gain to match your other gear and requirements, with a variable knob. It also has a unique feature that allows for another amplifier to be ran from outputs off the amp. Ideal for powered subwoofers. It has an auto stand by and turn on and off feature that has selectable sensitivity level, which can be disabled (which I do because I like controlling the subs from the amp). And it also is bridgeable so it can be added to the M33 as the second amp or can be used with another C 298 in a mono configuration!

    I can see why both NAD and T+A choose the Purifier amplifier modules to build their new amplifiers. There are companies making less expensive amps using these new modules, but these two companies are doing more than using the modules; they are building better input stages and power sections, etc. They are making higher level amplifiers using the Purifier modules!
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    Re: Nad c 298

    Glad you like it Randy. Maybe an affordable glimpse of the top tier amplifier sound?
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    Possibly... the MBL I had was very nice also, but the NAD matches my system and more so my setup. I had been hearing about and reading about the Purifier amps and wanted to give one a try. When I found out that T+A was also going that direction made me feel that quite possibly this tech would be worth giving a go.
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    Hey Randy how is the NAD sounding?
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    So far I think I am going to be happy with it. I have not had a chance to really put it through its paces but it seems to perform very well. Very good bottom end, although most of the low bottom end is from the subs anyway. Very good separation and sound stage. I continue to believe that this is the most musical Class D amplifier I have ever owned!

    Currently I and trying with the subwoofers signal coming from the outputs of the amplifier. I have plenty of outputs on my pre-amp but I wanted to give it a try. I also set the amp to variable output to attenuate the gain a little. At fixed the gain was quite high giving me little movement on the pre-amp volume... and with the variant between albums record levels I wanted a bit more control
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    I have noticed that the NAD soundstage and imaging is getting to be really fantastic. The separation is stunning and the image does not "wander" as it has with some of the other (especially Class D) amps that I have tried. Very solid and clean sounding and it generates virtually no heat, and no noise what so ever. For my system with my other components it is doing exactly what I was hoping it would do. I would have loved to get the new T+A, but honestly, what you get from the NAD makes it an absolute bargain!
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    Great news Randy, longtime test will be your opinion this time next year, only been a week right? Class D needs something to last the long haul.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    Great news Randy, longtime test will be your opinion this time next year, only been a week right? Class D needs something to last the long haul.
    Class D is the only amplifier technology that is actually still being developed and improved. In my opinion, Purifi has reached the stage where there's no need to look at Class AB or more particularly inexcusably inefficient Class A to get superb sound.

    In a year's time, my guess is that Purifi will still be top of the pile, but perhaps in 2 or 3 years something Class D may be even better.

    Class D was a bit like electric cars are now (or digital cameras 15 years ago), in that early buyers get their fingers (and wallets) burnt but they are encouraging further development that will benefit future buyers. I'm still far away from considering an electric car, but when they reach "Purifi" equivalent, I probably will. Who wants a car with a theoretical range of just 150 miles before it needs to be plugged into a charger for an hour or so? Not bloody likely! OK as a town runabout to avoid Congestion Charges in cities, but you still need a proper car that you can take anywhere and refuel in 5 minutes after 500 miles and you don’t need to keep your speed below 60 mph to reach the next charging point. Have you ever seen a Tesla doing more than 70? Yes they CAN, but owners quickly learn by experience that putting your foot down is quite likely to result in a rescue from the hard shoulder! Class D is more like digital cameras - who now uses film?
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    Re: Nad c 298

    This is blasphemy on most audio forums and for die hard audiophiles. I have gone through the progression of Hypex, NCore, ICE and the Purifi was a major leap in sound quality and refinement. I was so over tubes with the heat and fickleness, I want all SS to leave on 24/7.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Class D is the only amplifier technology that is actually still being developed and improved. In my opinion, Purifi has reached the stage where there's no need to look at Class AB or more particularly inexcusably inefficient Class A to get superb sound.

    In a year's time, my guess is that Purifi will still be top of the pile, but perhaps in 2 or 3 years something Class D may be even better.

    Class D was a bit like electric cars are now (or digital cameras 15 years ago), in that early buyers get their fingers (and wallets) burnt but they are encouraging further development that will benefit future buyers. I'm still far away from considering an electric car, but when they reach "Purifi" equivalent, I probably will. Who wants a car with a theoretical range of just 150 miles before it needs to be plugged into a charger for an hour or so? Not bloody likely! OK as a town runabout to avoid Congestion Charges in cities, but you still need a proper car that you can take anywhere and refuel in 5 minutes after 500 miles and you don’t need to keep your speed below 60 mph to reach the next charging point. Have you ever seen a Tesla doing more than 70? Yes they CAN, but owners quickly learn by experience that putting your foot down is quite likely to result in a rescue from the hard shoulder! Class D is more like digital cameras - who now uses film?
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    We'll see, but so far I am liking the amp. I have had five other Class D amps along with various A's, A/B's in both Solid State and Tubes. Granted, not top of the line models, but all from very solid companies; none of them felt as musical as the Class A's especially, but A/B's as well. This NAD seems to be doing precisely that!
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    One of you needs to try one of the GAN amplifiers next. There's two out now at $3000 and another coming any day now.
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    Maybe at some point, but I think it would be best to actually break in and get used to the NAD first .

    The little research I have done it appears as if the GAN amplifiers are a bit of a confusing market now and I do not see any of the big names jumping on board as of yet. Also, companies like NAD and T+A, for example, are doing more than just using the Purifi amplifier modules. They talk a lot about input stages and better power sections, etc. I am no expert in the field, but it sounds like they feel that there is a bit more involved then just the amp module for the over all power amplifier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    I was so over tubes with the heat and fickleness, I want all SS to leave on 24/7.
    But even Class D should be turned off when not in use, particularly as it doesn't require a warm-up period. I'm sure you don't leave your LED lights on 24/7!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    This is blasphemy on most audio forums and for die hard audiophiles. I have gone through the progression of Hypex, NCore, ICE and the Purifi was a major leap in sound quality and refinement. I was so over tubes with the heat and fickleness, I want all SS to leave on 24/7.
    I turn my heater ( Pass) off. Its just too darn hot in the room if left on for a full day., And per a conversation with Nelson Pass years ago, turn it off. So I do. Of course I'm just addressing Pass, not any other amp of class of amp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    I turn my heater ( Pass) off. Its just too darn hot in the room if left on for a full day., And per a conversation with Nelson Pass years ago, turn it off. So I do. Of course I'm just addressing Pass, not any other amp of class of amp.
    A Class A... you bet ya you want to turn it off ... I cannot imagine your electric bill if it was on 24/7 ... pulling full power all day and night holy gyumba . I remember how hot the First Watt I had got.... didn't need a heater in the house for sure with that baby on...
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    Re: Nad c 298

    Randy

    Maybe when the third of the new offerings is released from down the road you can arrange to listen to one at home.
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    Yea, that might be interesting.
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    Srajen's been showing the new Aura preamp and GAN amp in his preview section for a bit now so maybe soon for both pieces.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    A Class A... you bet ya you want to turn it off ... I cannot imagine your electric bill if it was on 24/7 ... pulling full power all day and night holy gyumba . I remember how hot the First Watt I had got.... didn't need a heater in the house for sure with that baby on...
    I used to leave it on, but the wife would make a comment, is that really necessary its a little warm in here and mine is the little Pass and its in a room with two AC vents. I can just image the larger class A's . But it does feel good when its 60's outside the heat is down low, but that only happens around Jan to March here LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Srajen's been showing the new Aura preamp and GAN amp in his preview section for a bit now so maybe soon for both pieces.
    I am actually rather surprised that EJ has not brought the Aura to market yet. I tested it comparing it to the Stage 2 some time ago now. I really liked the design (including many of the ideas we came up with when brain storming on how to improve the Stage 2). SQ wise it was in the same ballpark as the Stage 2. I replied that a parts upgrade version (ala Stage 1 and 2) should walk over the STP-SE Stage 2 in my view.

    I actually sold the Statement amplifier that was used at RMAF. It was that close to release, so again a bit surprised that it was again not brought to market. It sounds like he may have reworked the in house designed amplifier modules a bit ....

    I look forward to seeing what he comes up with. I have not talked with EJ about either of these.
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    Will be interesting to see what changes he makes if any to the amp he releases under his company name as opposed to the other two already on the market that he worked on. The Aura preamp is a long time coming.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    Who is this and what is his company?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Srajen's been showing the new Aura preamp and GAN amp in his preview section for a bit now so maybe soon for both pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    Who is this and what is his company?

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    Wyred4Sound. Ej was on the development team that designed the new GAN amps from LSA and Peachtree. He is supposed to be releasing an amp under his company's name along with the Aura preamp which is the upgrade to the STP-SE.

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    I think W4S has great potential and inching towards the upper end of audio but I cannot get past his styling and aesthetics. His styling is to low and mid gear as D’Agostino is to super high end. This is just my opinion so no bashing me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Wyred4Sound. Ej was on the development team that designed the new GAN amps from LSA and Peachtree. He is supposed to be releasing an amp under his company's name along with the Aura preamp which is the upgrade to the STP-SE.

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    All not surprising since LSA is owned by Walter who is in constant contact with EJ. EJ has also built many Peachtree products over the years.

    The Aura is a big step forward in design and layout, but EJ definitely likes that general design/look and getting him out of that will take some serious doing , although the new design is definitely not the same as the old one and definitely moving towards a little more conventional. The metal that he is doing the center section in is very nice with three color choices.
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    While I would agree that cosmetics may not be EJ's strong suit at the pricing point he chooses to work with I would much rather he put the money on the inside than on the outside. His purpose built casework is sufficient for me and many others. I've owned an STP-SE for seven years and keep it around as to me it is like a Swiss Army knife preamp. Works with everything no matter what the amps gain numbers are.
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    I have never been thrilled with Wyred's look, but I agree, quality and performance in most important. The STP-SE is a very good pre-amp and if I were going to hold onto any unit as a back up piece it certainly would be the one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Ej was on the development team that designed the new GAN amps from LSA and Peachtree.
    I would be shocked if EJ did not design virtually 100% of these amplifiers. He has been working on his own in house modules for years (the NextGEN Statement amplifier was 100% in house design and built, for example). Maybe a little cash influx helped bring it to fruition .

    Walter purchased LSA to be his own house brand. Knowing Walter I can guarantee you he had no part of the actual design of the amps, other than maybe a little input on the look.
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    Probably true. Reports were that Peter Madnick of Audio Alchemy/Elac was involved in the process too.
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    Good grief, Peter Madnick has been involved with almost every hifi electronics company at one time or another.

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    Probably true. Reports were that Peter Madnick of Audio Alchemy/Elac was involved in the process too.
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    I wouldn't be surprised other than knowing EJ is a micro manager .

    Back to the NAD. The past couple days I have been trying the Hattor in pure passive mode. It seems to work very well with the NAD with the tubes out of the line. One of the great things about the Hattor is that it works with or without the tubes on! I would say in passive mode it seems to work better than when it was matched up with any of the other amps I have used with it.
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    Surprising as I would have thought the tubes would have helped with the KEF's and every Class D amp I ever owned benefited from a tube preamp. The STP-SE was close but tubes were always better.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    It works very well with the tubes, but also seems to be very good in pure passive mode... better than others I have had, but in most situations it is better with the tubes engaged.
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    Maybe it's just me but any "SS" amp Class D or otherwise always sounds better with tubes in front of them. I may break down and try another Purifi or GAN based amp after the first of the year but for now looking forward to another un-needed pair of new to me speakers to play with.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    I’ve been using my Purifi straight from the Lumin via XLR using Leedh volume processing. Great clean sound.

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    I usually enjoy a couple tubes in my pre-amp (hybrid designs, such as the Hattor or ARC that I had) but I have definitely come to the conclusion that I am not a fan of tube amplifiers. As for GAN I think I will wait to see how it matures a little. I would like to see some others companies offering it, not to disparage LSR or Peachtree, just saying. The final decision for me to try a Purifi was when I learned that NAD and T+A, among others, are supporting it.

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    When I first heard Audio Alchemy I was impressed, not sure why the line isn't taking off better. The 2nd time I wasn't so impressed so my assumption is matching with other gear is important.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    So I finally got a brand new pre-amp from my home town company. I really enjoy the McIntosh C49. Amazing flexibility, very usable and easy to integrate into the system. The McIntosh trigger works perfectly with the NAD!

    I had been thinking about a McIntosh amplifier just to get the full Mc stack.... but dang... this NAD amplifier is amazingly good. There certainly are fancier amplifiers out there and in its price range, but you would be hard pressed to find a better performer for less than two to three times its price. Yes, it is that good!
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    Re: Nad c 298

    I see the M23 is up on the NAD site now. Really kinda want to try this. Super duper happy with the Enleum, but you know how it is... FOMO gets the better of you. The M23 is a beautiful looking machine. And I love tech. And one of the best systems I heard at the FL expo was Class D (not sure if Purifi/Eigenkat). If I find a way to trial one I likely will. Then again I really truly want to get my hands on an Aavik now too....
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    Cool... so on their site NAD lists the M33, M28, M23 and the C298 as their Purifier products. There is a design presentation difference in the two series. The C series is obviously designed to be heard not seen .

    I doubt there is an audible difference between the two series, but the M23 is $3499 versus $2199 for the C298. If I were wanting one to sit next to a M33 on the shelf then the M23 would make sense, but for my use the C298 is spectacular! Having a plan black box on the bottom of my rack providing power does not bother me .

    The M33 and the C298 have both won about every award that an audio amplifier can win. Unfortunately, good luck getting a C298 or M23 at this time. One dealer is listing the C298 as In Stock, but all others I checked are listed as Out Of Stock. All that mention the M23 state that shipping availability is unknown at this time .

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    NAD’s renowned designers worked closely with Purifi Audio to customise the Eigentakt implementation to ensure every product featuring the technology would meet the high standards NAD is known for. For this reason, NAD manufactures its own Eigentakt modules rather than buy off-the-shelf."

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    Re: Nad c 298

    Makes sense for sure.

    My amp does sit on top of the media console in the living room, very visible. You can see where the enleum is in my system photo. A little extra $ keeps things looking very visibly better and goes a long way to help the female half - an interior designer - digest the $ spent on "you bought something new?!".... Not that it's her money lol.
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    Re: Nad c 298

    Hehe... totally understand...
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    I am considering selling this quite amazing NAD C298 amplifier. They are very hard to get and mine works beautiful (and is virtually brand new). Of course, box, etc., etc. It is not even broken in yet, but I would definitely put it near the top of amplifiers I have tried.

    The only reason I am considering this is I just got a classic Mc amp to complete my "Mc Stack". The NAD may very well be a better amplifier. It has more power and is really clean sounding and pretty superb bass. But the McIntosh completes a Mc Stack which is what I have wanted. It sounds very nice, definitely the McIntosh sound, but most importantly it puts a smile on my face and that is most important to me.

    Message me if you might be interested. I have not posted it as of yet but may do so in a few days.
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