Job 250 monos amps: absolutely wonderful ...

**joeinid** · June 24, 2017, 11:19 AM

After thinking about these amps for the better part of a year and a half, I could not resist any longer.

Not even broken in, they are amazing. These 250 monos are absolutely great. Solid build quality, surprisingly heavy with that distinctive sweet and fast Goldmund sound. They have better bass and more air, simply wonderful and a true high end bargain in the audio world.

**joeinid** · June 24, 2017, 11:21 AM

THE JOB 250

A Professional Ultra-High Speed Mono Amplifier

The latest addition to the JOB amplifiers family is the mono version of the family.
The JOB 250 is a Mono block of 250W in a reasonably small chassis, only slightly higher than the JOB 225.
Totally protected, easy to use, perfectly silent, it is THE amplifier for an audiophile who is conscious of his budget but demanding the absolute best of the world in sonic quality and having speakers very demanding in power.
With its extraordinary dynamic capability and its unconditional stability, it can drive anything.
More, with the JOB proprietary "Ultra-Control" of the drivers, any speaker even a large one will sound better when used with the JOB 250.
With extremely low distortion, especially IM distortion, literally zero group delay distortion, ultra-wide MegaHerz bandwidth and DC coupling, extreme silence and cool operation, it can be played at high level with the same impression of ease than at low levels.
Thanks to the JOB Electronics large scale of operation on power amplifiers, the JOB 250 is also offered at a realistic price, where high-end audio manufacturers would charge $6'000 to $15'000 if the same amplifier were sold through the traditional channels.

TECHNICAL DATA

POWER SUPPLY

Nominal line voltage: 117 V, 234 V
Input voltage range: +/- 10 %
Fuse 5A
Separated ground and earth signal
Connection between earth and ground to cancel all ground loops
Rated Power Consumption: IEC 60065, 1/8 Output Power at 8 Ohms: 260 W
Max Power Consumption: IEC 60065 at 8 Ohms /1% THD: 410 W

FRONT PANEL

ON/OFF Switch
Yellow led for power.

REAR PANEL

Power Cord socket 3 lugs.
Fuse Holder.
Voltage selector.
RCA input connector.
XLR blanaced input connector.
Output speakers 5-way binding Post.

INPUT

Max level before clipping / 1% THD, unloaded : 1.065V

OUTPUT

Max level before clipping / 1% THD : 250Wrms.

OUTPUT POWER

FPP JOB at 8 Ohms : 300W
IEC 60065 at 8 Ohms / 1% THD : 250W

DISTORTION

IMD (SMPTE), unloaded: < 0.01 % (- 80 dB).

BANDWIDTH

20Hz-20kHz, unloaded : +/- 0.05dB
-3dB, unloaded: 10Hz to 200kHz

SPEED

Slew rate unloaded > 80 V/us.

OUTPUT NOISE FLOOR

With inputs short-circuited, unloaded: <1uV from 20Hz to 20KHz.

DYNAMIC RANGE

22kHz measurement bandwidth (flat), true RMS unloaded : 112dB.

GAIN

35dB.

SIZE AND WEIGHT

36cm (14.2") W x 24.5cm (9.7") D x 10.8cm (4.25") H. - Weight : 10kg (22 lbs) net.

FINISH

Dark Grey anodized metal.

WARRANTY

1 year parts and labor.

**audiophil** · June 24, 2017, 11:48 AM

Joe - I just saw a posting on JOB's Facebook page with some customer feedback on these amps. I'm assuming it came from you. These have been on my radar for a while now...I would love to hear them someday as they appear to be right up my alley in terms of sonic signature. Fast, detailed, yet sweet on top.

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**joeinid** · June 24, 2017, 11:54 AM

Yes, that was me. I've been a Job fan from the beginning. These are everything good about the stereo amp and INTegrated but MORE! I can't afford Goldmund, but these are a bargain and ship pretty much overnight, once the order is processed.

All my Job gear and especially these monos will NEVER leave my system.

I don't think you will be disappointed.

Originally Posted by audiophil

Joe - I just saw a posting on JOB's Facebook page with some customer feedback on these amps. I'm assuming it came from you. These have been on my radar for a while now...I would love to hear them someday as they appear to be right up my alley in terms of sonic signature. Fast, detailed, yet sweet on top.

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**RDSChicago** · June 24, 2017, 05:36 PM

Joe, what do you recommend for a preamp with these monos?

**joeinid** · June 24, 2017, 07:38 PM

I'm sure the STP-SE would be superb. My BHK preamp sounds amazing with it but that preamp is a little quirky. I get a soft pop through the speakers with every volume step change on almost every amp I use with it. Of course my KXR20 is freaking awesome with it.

**Devg** · June 24, 2017, 08:54 PM

Congrats Joe. I am sure its a winner. Some folks reported that the soft pop is lot less through the balanced output than the single ended. You can try the balanced output of the BHK, though you might run into too much gain with the Jobs. I guess the intensity would also depends on the speaker sensitivity. I run balanced to the Nords and the pop is so low in intensity that it doesn't bother me....

**Randy Myers** · June 24, 2017, 09:55 PM

These are another on my consideration list. I really liked the 225 that I had. I think it was a little too early in my "rebirth" into the audio world to truly appreciate it. I would love it if Goldmund offered the Job in black face

...

I think the First Watt is similar in sound signature, only much more detailed. The other real difference is power... and gain... the First Watt is on the extreme low gain while the Job is on the extreme high end (Rothwells help a lot)...

By the way, Gratz Joe... like you needed another amplifier

...

**Jack** · June 24, 2017, 10:06 PM

Randy there is always Krylon if you have to have black face or you could have it done at an auto body shop or powder coated. I prefer black too but the Job doesn't stick out as much as standard silver.

**Jack** · June 24, 2017, 10:11 PM

Rob

I had good luck with the Job and the STP-SE but a tube preamp with low gain would be ideal unless you are willing to use the Rothwell Attenuators which I have with the Modwright. I am curious about the Backert Labs Rhumba 1.2 whose standard is 9db gain, but since you order straight from the factory I feel sure Andy could lower it if you needed. Something around 6 db or a little lower would be ideal.

**audiophil** · June 24, 2017, 11:02 PM

Randy - the JOB and F6 might both be sweet, but FAST is probably one of the last words I would use for the F6.
The Clones Audio 25pm monos I had for a while...now THOSE were fast. It sounds to me like JOB really captures the best of both worlds.

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**joeinid** · June 24, 2017, 11:11 PM

I don't know the F6 but the Job 250 monos, especially, are fast and sweet. Open, airy, ballsy and clean. They don't have a tremendously thick tone but, damn, I don't miss it one bit. They play like much more expensive amps and have the characteristic Goldmund sound.

Originally Posted by audiophil

Randy - the JOB and F6 might both be sweet, but FAST is probably one of the last words I would use for the F6.
The Clones Audio 25pm monos I had for a while...now THOSE were fast. It sounds to me like JOB really captures the best of both worlds.

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**Jack** · June 24, 2017, 11:34 PM

Joe

From what I have read the F6 sound would be akin to the Pass 30's of one generation or the other. For using the BHK with the Mono's, did engaging the Mute before changing volume eliminate the click?

**joeinid** · June 24, 2017, 11:38 PM

Hi Jack,

Muting before volume change absolutely works but it becomes a guess as to where I want to be volume wise. It's sort of a quick and dirty trick to get around the clicking.

Thanks for the suggestion.

**Melbguy1** · June 24, 2017, 11:58 PM

Good to see you on the job Joe!

**Jack** · June 25, 2017, 12:12 AM

Joe

Is the match of the two enough to overlook the clicking? I would think the gain would be about perfect so it all comes down to the sound of the pair together versus the click.

**Nikhil** · June 25, 2017, 12:41 AM

Wow! Congratulations on the Job Monos Joe!! These really must be something to listen to.

Have you hooked them up to the Stradivaris?

**Mike** · June 25, 2017, 12:44 AM

Congrats Joe! I LOVED my Job 225. I bet the 250's are awesome. Sweet sound!

And the best part - they're Class AB!

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**Mike** · June 25, 2017, 12:47 AM

Joe, add a pair of ELAC's and you'll think you stole something!

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**Jack** · June 25, 2017, 01:05 AM

Just curious, what would one of Andrew's "built to a price" models offer that the Strad's don't?

**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 01:05 AM

Thank you Nikhil.

Playing right now with the PS Audio BHK preamp. Just a great, great combination.

Originally Posted by Nikhil

Wow! Congratulations on the Job Monos Joe!! These really must be something to listen to.

Have you hooked them up to the Stradivaris?

**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 01:07 AM

Yes, it's only a soft pop and sometimes if I change many steps, it only pops once or twice, maybe a few times. The BHK is a keeper regardless.

Originally Posted by Jack

Joe

Is the match of the two enough to overlook the clicking? I would think the gain would be about perfect so it all comes down to the sound of the pair together versus the click.

**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 01:08 AM

A smaller cost if you, or I, didn't have Strads in the first place and probably decent performance.

Originally Posted by Jack

Just curious, what would one of Andrew's "built to a price" models offer that the Strad's don't?

**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by Melbguy1

Good to see you on the job Joe!

**Mike** · June 25, 2017, 01:10 AM

The ELAC's offer similar price to performance ratio as the JOB. I don't think anyone would typically pair $45,000 Speakers with a $2k amp. Joe's Ayre monos fits the bill for that pairing.

I was thinking how nice the ELAC/JOB pairing would be for not a lot of $$.

But what preamp?
Hmmm...

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**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 01:13 AM

The BHK is awesome, the STP-SE would definitely be great, Ayre KX5-20 would be a combo I'd love to try, Backert Labs is another I'd like to hear. Oh, and the Primaluna pre would be awesome too.

Originally Posted by Mike

The ELAC's offer similar price to performance ratio as the JOB. I don't think anyone would typically pair $45,000 Speakers with a $2k amp. Joe's Ayre monos fits the bill for that pairing.

I was thinking how nice the ELAC/JOB pairing would be for not a lot of $$.

But what preamp?
Hmmm...

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**Jack** · June 25, 2017, 01:39 AM

Joe

Terry London tested the Backert against the PrimaLuna HP and said it wasn't even a contest. He likened it to his EAR preamp at many times the cost. As the Backert's are built to order only a few miles from you by a master "modder" and repair tech I am sure the standard 9 db gain could be adjusted with the order. Tube preamps have normally high gain unless you buy from one of the smaller companies. The Aesthetix preamps have adjustable gain but like AI preamps of old only seem to like certain tubes. The safe bet for any amp with input sensitivity numbers like the Job is always going to be the STP-SE unless you want the stark truth of a pure passive like the Luminous, Hattor or others. Based on the Goldmund pedigree I don't think the Job mono's would be out of place in a pairing with the Magico S3, Vandersteen Quatro CT, Focal Sopra or the appropriate Raidho or Dali. I am going to break my 225 back out again in honor of Joe's purchase and see how they fair with the KO's.

**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 01:46 AM

Thanks for the background info.

I am sure the 225 on the KO's will be killer. I love Nola speakers and I am positive it will be a great match.

Originally Posted by Jack

Joe

Terry London tested the Backert against the PrimaLuna HP and said it wasn't even a contest. He likened it to his EAR preamp at many times the cost. As the Backert's are built to order only a few miles from you by a master "modder" and repair tech I am sure the standard 9 db gain could be adjusted with the order. Tube preamps have normally high gain unless you buy from one of the smaller companies. The Aesthetix preamps have adjustable gain but like AI preamps of old only seem to like certain tubes. The safe bet for any amp with input sensitivity numbers like the Job is always going to be the STP-SE unless you want the stark truth of a pure passive like the Luminous, Hattor or others. Based on the Goldmund pedigree I don't think the Job mono's would be out of place in a pairing with the Magico S3, Vandersteen Quatro CT, Focal Sopra or the appropriate Raidho or Dali. I am going to break my 225 back out again in honor of Joe's purchase and see how they fair with the KO's.

**Mike** · June 25, 2017, 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Jack

Joe

Terry London tested the Backert against the PrimaLuna HP and said it wasn't even a contest. He likened it to his EAR preamp at many times the cost. As the Backert's are built to order only a few miles from you by a master "modder" and repair tech I am sure the standard 9 db gain could be adjusted with the order. Tube preamps have normally high gain unless you buy from one of the smaller companies. The Aesthetix preamps have adjustable gain but like AI preamps of old only seem to like certain tubes. The safe bet for any amp with input sensitivity numbers like the Job is always going to be the STP-SE unless you want the stark truth of a pure passive like the Luminous, Hattor or others. Based on the Goldmund pedigree I don't think the Job mono's would be out of place in a pairing with the Magico S3, Vandersteen Quatro CT, Focal Sopra or the appropriate Raidho or Dali. I am going to break my 225 back out again in honor of Joe's purchase and see how they fair with the KO's.

You have a good point as the Job225 was my favorite amp on the Raidho D3's.

**Melbguy1** · June 25, 2017, 03:43 AM

I don't get how a pair of 10kg mono's under $3.5k can push out those numbers without employing a class D topology? That makes my 42kg integrated seem bloated, and overweight by comparison

. Does anyone know if Jenny Craig accepts amplifiers as new members?

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**joeinid** · June 25, 2017, 07:31 AM

The Job mono amps are almost 23 lbs. each. Certainly a lot heavier than the Job 225 or INTegrated which I assume means a beefier power supply. There's also a bigger heat sink on the amps which to me means business

Overall a terrific deal in my book and they feel like they will last a lifetime.

**Melbguy1** · June 25, 2017, 08:16 AM

Joe, the Job mono's look well designed & have a beefy psu. They do indeed look like a very good deal like the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2 bookshelfs I mentioned earlier. Just out of curiosity I checked the weight of my first integrated amp back in 1991, Nakamichi Amplifier 1 (see below) which tips the scales at 15kg & was rated @80 watts into 8 ohms. All I can say is those amps performs magic tricks like Houdini on crack!

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**Randy Myers** · June 25, 2017, 09:29 AM

I had a Nakamichi with a Stasis amplifier. That was a great little amp no doubt. Nelson Pass certainly made a fine amplifier back then (as he does now)!

**Jack** · June 25, 2017, 10:22 AM

Don't know if he still has any but a couple of weeks ago Chris at Parts Connexcion had a small collection of Stasis gear that he had refurbed and had for sale.

**lordcloud** · June 26, 2017, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

These are another on my consideration list. I really liked the 225 that I had. I think it was a little too early in my "rebirth" into the audio world to truly appreciate it. I would love it if Goldmund offered the Job in black face

...

I think the First Watt is similar in sound signature, only much more detailed. The other real difference is power... and gain... the First Watt is on the extreme low gain while the Job is on the extreme high end (Rothwells help a lot)...

By the way, Gratz Joe... like you needed another amplifier

...

Randy, are you saying the Firstwatt is more detailed than the Job?

I have a F7, and have been thinking about getting a 225 or the monos now.

**joeinid** · June 26, 2017, 11:57 AM

Unless your speakers are very easy to drive, definitely GET the 250 monos. Waaaaay better in all respects.

I know it's twice the price but more like 6 times the performance.

Originally Posted by lordcloud

Randy, are you saying the Firstwatt is more detailed than the Job?

I have a F7, and have been thinking about getting a 225 or the monos now.

**Randy Myers** · June 26, 2017, 08:25 PM

In my opinion, the First Watt is a more detail amplifier being that it is Pure Class A. However, and a big however is that it is very low powered, especially the F7. The F6 is the most powerful FW. The limitations are pretty much in that they cannot drive the systems extremely loud and hard to drive speakers they may not be able to get to acceptable levels. This is not an issue for me because the F6 gets my hard to drive speakers plenty loud enough for me. Many people would require more power.

I have been considering a larger amplifier, such as possibly a larger ARC, or PrimaLuna or possible the Job mono blocks mainly for the possibility of going to a different speaker down the road. Something like a KEF Reference for example.

But for me, the JOB 225 was great, and had a lot of power. The only real draw back was that it is very high gain so something like the Rothwell Attenuators was a requirement to achieve any kind of volume control from my Pre-amplifier. In absolute purity I do prefer the First Watt, but the JOB if very good and very acceptable. So if more power is needed, they can't be beat!

**Jack** · June 26, 2017, 08:37 PM

Randy

The STP-SE was the only preamp I tried other than the Nuprime DAC-10 that didn't have a gain issue with the Job 225. The Nuprime just happens to have a similar volume control circuit to the W4S. All the others required the Rothwell's for any volume control flexibility. It would be one of the reasonable priced options with the Job unless something like a Luminous or Hattor works for you. With only a couple of hundred dollars difference at MSRP I would find it hard to justify the Job preamp instead. Plus no upgrade path for the Job.

**lordcloud** · June 27, 2017, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Randy Myers

In my opinion, the First Watt is a more detail amplifier being that it is Pure Class A. However, and a big however is that it is very low powered, especially the F7. The F6 is the most powerful FW. The limitations are pretty much in that they cannot drive the systems extremely loud and hard to drive speakers they may not be able to get to acceptable levels. This is not an issue for me because the F6 gets my hard to drive speakers plenty loud enough for me. Many people would require more power.

I have been considering a larger amplifier, such as possibly a larger ARC, or PrimaLuna or possible the Job mono blocks mainly for the possibility of going to a different speaker down the road. Something like a KEF Reference for example.

But for me, the JOB 225 was great, and had a lot of power. The only real draw back was that it is very high gain so something like the Rothwell Attenuators was a requirement to achieve any kind of volume control from my Pre-amplifier. In absolute purity I do prefer the First Watt, but the JOB if very good and very acceptable. So if more power is needed, they can't be beat!

My speakers are 91 db efficient, 6 ohm, and use a simple series crossover...yet my F7 has a difficult time with them. I switched to my old Monarchy Audio SM70's and they sound MUCH better on them. Particularly more detailed and more lifelike.

This makes me wonder if my F7 needs some attending to.

As far as the Job goes, I don't really need the power they have, but I've read that the clarity and speed are outstanding. I use a TVC passive preamp, so it would seem that they'd be ok, as far as volume control.

**Jack** · June 27, 2017, 01:49 AM

The 225 should be fine in you application.

**Randy Myers** · June 27, 2017, 02:52 AM

When I had my JOB I was using a McIntosh, and then the STP-SE. The Rothwell's helped. But again, too early in my re-evolution...

It sounds like your F7 has an issue... which Nelson said he has never had.... 100% reliable. My speakers are extremely hard to drive compared to yours. My F6 gives me great sound and plenty of volume. My ARC gets a bit louder. Also, the First Watts are very low gain, so you have to push the volume control a bit more than other amplifiers...

**Pani** · June 27, 2017, 04:58 AM

From my listening experience F6 is better than F7. I found the F7 somewhat lifeless compared to F6

**Rob181** · June 27, 2017, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by lordcloud

My speakers are 91 db efficient, 6 ohm, and use a simple series crossover...yet my F7 has a difficult time with them. I switched to my old Monarchy Audio SM70's and they sound MUCH better on them. Particularly more detailed and more lifelike.

This makes me wonder if my F7 needs some attending to.

As far as the Job goes, I don't really need the power they have, but I've read that the clarity and speed are outstanding. I use a TVC passive preamp, so it would seem that they'd be ok, as far as volume control.

Great amp & very underrated...not surprised it beats the F7...get it checked if you like...but bet I am right...

**Randy Myers** · June 27, 2017, 10:04 AM

I have never listened to the F7, but I know from speaking with Nelson that he only adds a new model when he feels the design is worthy of the First Watt name. With that said my F6 is a great sounding amplifier but I am also intrigued with the JOB mono blocks moving forward.

Currently I do not need the extra power, but down the rad if I want to move into a different speaker I might.

**Nikhil** · June 28, 2017, 12:46 PM

Joe,

A friend of mine is interested in the Job 250 Monos.
Look forward to hearing more from you on them.

Regards

**joeinid** · June 28, 2017, 02:00 PM

My Job 250 monos are great. Destination amps. I've been playing them on my Strads and while I love and could easily live with the Job INTegrated, the 250 monos are just a heck of a lot better in all respects compared to a lot of other amps that I've heard. They have both XLR and RCA inputs and so far sound great with my BHK preamp, they are incredible with my KXR Twenty preamp. I know that is an unusual pairing but any decent preamp will be great. Air, 3D, articulate bass, sweet vocals, big soundstage and dead quiet makes these amps almost perfect. I love these and they are not going anywhere.

Originally Posted by Nikhil

Joe,

A friend of mine is interested in the Job 250 Monos.
Look forward to hearing more from you on them.

Regards

**rubato** · June 29, 2017, 05:05 AM

Hi Joe,

Seems that you have recently bought a pre2 as well. How is the performance of pre2 + 250 combo? I wonder if the JOB combo makes the sound more coherent than using other preamp in the chain.

**joeinid** · June 29, 2017, 07:01 AM

Hi Rubato,

Welcome to the forum. Thank you for joining.

I am a big Job Electronics fan from the beginning. Like I've said before, the 250 monos are absolutely amazing. The Job Pre2 is a solid performer and depending on your taste or preference, could be great. I prefer a preamp (typically tube but not absolutely necessary) that adds a little warmth and bloom. The Job 250 monos are fast and clean, but in a really good way. Adding a little warmth, sweetness or bloom just makes perfection to me at an amazing price. I believe that if you have overly warm speakers, the Pre2 and any Job amp will be great. If your speakers are a little tougher to drive or you just want a little better performance, the Job 250 monos are just right. Assembling a system is like a really good recipe, add seasoning to taste - to make it your own. If your sources are warmer or sweeter than the Job Pre2 will be great. My preference is for a slightly better sounding preamp.

**rubato** · June 29, 2017, 11:54 PM

Thanks Joe! That's informative and helpful.
One more question, I wonder if 250 monos are better in all aspects than 225? I have a pair of Reference 3A de capo, very easygoing (92db, 8ohm). I am currently using a 30W DIY amp but considering an upgrade. I understand 225 is good enough for the purpose, but if the monos do not overdrive sensitive speakers in general, it may be a good investment so that I have more options when upgrading the speakers later.

**joeinid** · June 30, 2017, 12:07 AM

Hi,

If you don't mind spending twice as much for the Job 250 monos, they are an absolute upgrade able to drive a much wider variety of speakers and do it much better like I describe in my previous post. The monos are way more versatile and the sound quality is better in every respect. I feel that even the amp portion of the Job INTegrated, sounds better than the 225 and the 250 monos better everything below them.

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