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    How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    As I plan to go integrated (I've already started to list my gear for sale), I'm also intrigued with Accuphase. Sure, AP is more expensive generally, however, I'm not against buying a current model that is used. I'm favoring Luxman which some current models are popping up for sale from time to time used. Heck, there's even a L595ase on US audio mart for $9k. However, I enquired and the person selling is the 2nd owner which is a red flag on a model that is barely a year old.

    The problem is there are no Luxman or Accuphase dealers within 200 miles of my house.

    McIntosh is an option, however, I feel MC is a bit rolled off sounding. I have not heard their SS gear on a MC275.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    You might want to list your speakers and other equipment you have in your system. Both the Luxman and Accuphase are excellent products. What don't you like about your current rig?

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    Hi ZU Omen Defs. Nothing about not liking ...it's all about minimizing the footprint. I just posted a video explaining my thought process


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    That's pretty funny. I downsized my system some years ago for multiple reasons. The two main reasons was my entry into high efficiency speakers and I moved into a smaller space. Good bye mono blocks, good bye multiple dedicated circuits, etc. I also looked into some nice integrated amps but my opinion at the time was I could get better sound with a nice preamp and then have options on which power amp to use. I still use cd's so I am using a single box player (with pcm to dsd conversion), a pre, a power amp and conditioning. Is there an integrated out there that will best your J2 and a nice tube preamp? That I cannot answer. Good luck.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    Hi ZU Omen Defs. Nothing about not liking ...it's all about minimizing the footprint. I just posted a video explaining my thought process

    Good video. Nice to put a face to a name.


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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    I'm with you on this. The fewer the boxes, the better, particularly as that snake-pit of untidy cables is expensive and the cable that improves sound has yet to be invented, however costly it is! Something to be said for all-in-ones as modern-day modules for amplifier, DAC, streamer, etc are so small, why not put them all in a single nice case with a good quality power supply unit - and no bloodly cables?

    My search started when I decided to move away from tube SET amps. A fellow Avantgarde owner with Trios was raving about his latest and greatest amp purchase - the modest Benchmark AHB2. This was in early days when it hadn't been professionally reviewed, so I just bought it on the basis that if it's so wonderful powering Trios, it should be equally fantastic with my Unos. Big mistake - it was a dull as ditch-water with my speakers, so I started my search.

    I hadn't decided on a power amp, or integrated, or an all-in-one for powering my high-sensitivity Avantgarde speakers (then Unos, now Duo XDs), so I asked around on forums for suggestions, spoke to dealers, read Stereophile, etc until I had a short-list that stretched to 12 units. I bought many of these used on the basis I could re-sell them at little or no loss and borrowed others from dealers.

    Some were power amps, some integrated and some all-in-ones. I was surprised at the difference in sound between these 12 amps. Some were quickly discarded, but others greatly impressed.

    Amongst the best were the 30 watt Class A Accuphase A-36, the GamuT D200 Mk III, the Mark Levinson 5802. Other less satisfactory ones for one reason or another were from Sugden, Bakoon, Valvet, Lyngdorf, Micromega, Quad and Benchmark. However, taking account of value for money as well as sound quality (mostly digital via CD or streaming but no vinyl), I found the modest NAD M32 the best of the bunch, but I later upgraded to the even more satisfactory and astonishing value NAD M33 all-in-one.

    I could improve the sound quality but I seriously doubt I could for less than 20K and I still have the option of using a different power amp, or DAC for example with the NAD.

    These £3-8K amps may be less that your budget and my chosen amp was amongst the lower-priced ones. £4K worth of electronics powering £34K speakers may sound daft, but I have no intension of upgrading any time yet - and it'll cost a great deal more unless someone comes out with an even better all-in-one. In the meantime, I'm very content with this Best Amplifier, Best Component and Editor's Choice unit from Stereophile's annual awards 2021.

    I really liked the Accuphase. Beautifully constructed, thoughtful features such as gain switch and 2 independent speaker outlets, etc, but after prolonged listening I found it slightly too polite and slightly lacking in dynamic excitement than I was looking for and which I knew my speakers were capable of.

    All I can suggest is that you make a short-list, buy (ideally used) or borrow all of them and give each a proper opportunity to impress with your speakers in your room. Results may well surprise and you won’t end up with a system that unbeknown to you could sound better with a different amp from your short list. Happy hunting.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    I got to audition the Luxman 509 with Wilson Sabrina speakers and a Chord Qutest DAC and then compare it to my son's Cary Audio SI-300.2d integrated. We preferred the Cary. The Luxman had a more delicate airy and transparent sound that we found a little polite. The Cary has more meat on the bones and a better midrange and tone. The Luxman has a bit more detail but it was not dramatic. The 509 was on my short list of integrateds to buy when I move on from separates but now I am not so sure.
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    Thanks for the kind words

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    Thanks for the thoughtful response. That is a really good idea. Buying a good name used is a great way to avoid taking a dive. I once considered the ABH2 due to how quiet it is, however, I started hearing the same thing you said. I have always heard great things about the NAD's. Regardless of cost, if you found the gear that makes you want to listen,.....that's all that matters.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Thanks for input. I was really turned off with Cary years ago when they had the weird "tier' price structure thing ("Buy this model XYZ amp at Level one for this price, Level two for this price and so on"). Of course, I've never heard one so I can't say anything about their sound (which I'm sure is excellent). That gimmicky sales thing stuck in the back of my mind.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Both are incredibly reliable, Accuphase has the advantage in noise floor and energy.

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    I seems almost illegal to have 96db speakers and not consider a 20 - 30 wpc tube amp or integrated. I'm just throwing that out there as it is fun to spend other folks' money.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    I seems almost illegal to have 96db speakers and not consider a 20 - 30 wpc tube amp or integrated. I'm just throwing that out there as it is fun to spend other folks' money.
    I used to think that and for 15 years used SET amps of between 6 watts (PX-25) and 28 watts (845 monos) with my 104 db speakers, but 3 years ago I made a deliberate decision to move to SS provided I could find one that offered as good or better sound than the SETs.

    I had no blinkered view of whether this new amp would be Class A, or AB, or D, or anything else, nor if it was 12 watts or 200 watts. I just wanted the best sound from my speakers in my room. Frankly I was expecting a Class A to be top dog of the 12 amps I auditioned at home and indeed the Accuphase A-36 was very very good, but I eventually chose the (illegal) 200 watt Class D NAD M33 in the end. No regrets despite more power than I need - and I'm doing my small bit towards reducing my environmental damage by going with an efficient amp.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    A few others to consider are the Marantz Ref. PM-10 and the PM-KI Ruby. I love the tone of the higher end Marantz gear. They do piano so beautifully. I find the midrange and tone of Marantz to be seductive, but my tastes lean to a slightly warmer more romantic midrange. The Ruby punches way above its price point. I believe it is a Class D amp with a Class A front end if I remember correctly. My son would have bought the Ruby over the Cary but he wanted a built in DAC and BT.

    Ken I. from Marantz tuned the KI gear to have that warmer tone and romantic midrange.

    Another amp to consider is the Primare Prisma I35. It sits at the other end of the spectrum. It is highly detailed and resolving, has great punch with good air and transparency. It's DAC module is excellent. It is probably similar to the Luxman sound but it think it may have more punch.

    The Boulder 866 would be one to consider depending upon your budget.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Thanks. I may need to look at Marantz again. Like Pioneer, Denon, etc...I kind of see Marantz basically an A/V receiver producer which is not fair. Marantz upper line systems have always gotten great reviews

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    Thanks. I may need to look at Marantz again. Like Pioneer, Denon, etc...I kind of see Marantz basically an A/V receiver producer which is not fair. Marantz upper line systems have always gotten great reviews
    Resale on Marantz is terrible, stick with your first 2 choices.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    I cannot speak to Accuphase, but you really cannot go wrong with any version of the Luxman Integrateds. Even my 505UXII is killer and from what I heard, the 1st 6 watts are class A on all the units that are not full class A.
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    There is so many choices out there it is crazy. Maybe demo integrated units from a dealer or two with a return policy? BTW...I still don't think you will find much better that your J2 and a kick butt tube pre. The PS you had is ok but the J2 deserves better. Good luck.

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    You are correct. If I was going Marantz, definitely used.

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    I know the J2 is killer. I may even keep the J2 to switch in and out of the system or as a backup. The BHK is a world class unit, however, it's really a hybrid tube preamp. Basically, a tube buffer built in. Even with different tubes, it sounds solid state...which is not a bad thing at all. The tube does smooth out some harshness on some harsh records...but not tubey in a McIntosh sense.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Resale on Marantz is terrible, stick with your first 2 choices.
    Sure, right now on the used market they are going for $2400 -3000, not bad for a piece of gear that only cost $3,000 new. But the LUX is sure nice if one can find one on the used market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Sure, right now on the used market they are going for $2400 -3000, not bad for a piece of gear that only cost $3,000 new. But the LUX is sure nice if one can find one on the used market.
    And this is taken from your personal experience of selling Marantz Reference gear? I really enjoy the price experts who creep ads and think that because something is posted that it sold for anywhere near asking or that it even exists. Never mind condition, age, useage, problems, etc etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    I know the J2 is killer. I may even keep the J2 to switch in and out of the system or as a backup. The BHK is a world class unit, however, it's really a hybrid tube preamp. Basically, a tube buffer built in. Even with different tubes, it sounds solid state...which is not a bad thing at all. The tube does smooth out some harshness on some harsh records...but not tubey in a McIntosh sense.
    There are much better preamps out there for not that much more money. Obviously you are not satisfied with the sound you are getting otherwise this conversation wouldn't be happening. We know it's not the J2. We know it's not the Zu's IF they are fed a signal that is not "transistor" like. Cheers.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Who cares if the resale of Marantz gear is low. I buy what sounds good to me, not what the resale value is if I decide to sell it in a few years. The KI Ruby integrated is not like their cheaper gear and the KI gear usually holds its value from what I have seen. Certainly if NAD is in the picture, Marantz deserves a look if you like their house sound with a tonally rich midrange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mechnutt View Post
    Who cares if the resale of Marantz gear is low. I buy what sounds good to me, not what the resale value is if I decide to sell it in a few years. The KI Ruby integrated is not like their cheaper gear and the KI gear usually holds its value from what I have seen. Certainly if NAD is in the picture, Marantz deserves a look if you like their house sound with a tonally rich midrange.
    I agree 100%, who cares about resale value, these are not investment properties were are talking about. I was kind of dancing around it earlier but the Zu's benefit from a rich midrange like the Marantz or the J2/tubed preamp setup. The metal horned tweeter is not very forgiving and could use some richer equipment upstream. BTW, as much as I like my Pass XA25 I would never recommend it in this regard, especially over the J2. Many folks recommend equipment that they are using without regard to system matching and what YOUR needs are. Cheers.

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    Actually, resale value is important if I end up buying new.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    Actually, resale value is important if I end up buying new.
    I agree - very pertinent for high cost purchases. I don't know where you are from but I had difficulty both buying my Accuphase (used) and re-selling a year or so later. But this was solely because I live in the UK where the brand is poorly represented and consequently there are very few about and the don't enjoy a popular recognition here. I enentually found one (that I imported from a European dealer) but selling it took a while but I eventually found a UK buyer who paid a fair price.

    The same would apply to Luxman here I believe. Well-respected brands that have good local representation do sell easily though, and for fair prices. My Avantgarde speakers and my earlier QUADs sold easily, as did a NAD Master Series amp. The GamuT took a while, eventually sold to a French buyer.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    And this is taken from your personal experience of selling Marantz Reference gear? I really enjoy the price experts who creep ads and think that because something is posted that it sold for anywhere near asking or that it even exists. Never mind condition, age, useage, problems, etc etc etc
    Just know a guy in our area that sold his used for $2475. I guess you are a price verification expert who creeps people for the actual sells price. But people buy a lot of gear based on it sounds.
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    What?

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    I agree. The higher the price, the longer it will take to sell. Over here McIntosh has a good resale value based on the fact that even non-audiophiles know the name and reputation. Much like Harley Davidson.

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    The Accuphase E-280 and e-380 look like really nice amps.

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    I guess I should have asked this question before. Are you wanting to go integrated for the looks or are you trying to improve the sound quality? Or both?

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    For the size..reduce the number of boxes. However, I want it to look nice...not a plain silver box. I've been chatting with an Accuphase dealer, I'm really interested in the e-380 (or 480). A 650 looks nice but way up there on the price chain. Of course, I'm still looking for a Luxman, however, (as with any brand) Accuphase may be a better alternative. Whatever.....I'm patient....and I will find the right componant. The problem with Accuphase is the prices and there are so many Japan versions which I will avoid. I'm trying to stay under 10K

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    With Accuphase you have to know the right people before you buy. Very few Dealers have had enough product in their own hands to offer any short of informed advice. Then theres pricing…

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    correct. However, like I said, I'm a patient man. I'm also looking to upgrade my deck amp (currently some old audio source that came with the house. I may purchase a bridge unit (class d, NAD or something with streaming) and use that until the right one comes along......then place it in place of the audiosource.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    correct. However, like I said, I'm a patient man. I'm also looking to upgrade my deck amp (currently some old audio source that came with the house. I may purchase a bridge unit (class d, NAD or something with streaming) and use that until the right one comes along......then place it in place of the audiosource.
    Just remember, the one thing you cant get back in life is time.

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    LOL...true....however..between running my business, re doing our entire back yard patio, trex deck, landscaping, plus trying to budget for an integrated, I am pretty occupied and can wait for the "one". Plus, the longer I wait...I can add more money to the pile. The "one" always pops up somewhere ...I've learned that in my 54 years.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    For the size..reduce the number of boxes. However, I want it to look nice...not a plain silver box. I've been chatting with an Accuphase dealer, I'm really interested in the e-380 (or 480). A 650 looks nice but way up there on the price chain. Of course, I'm still looking for a Luxman, however, (as with any brand) Accuphase may be a better alternative. Whatever.....I'm patient....and I will find the right componant. The problem with Accuphase is the prices and there are so many Japan versions which I will avoid. I'm trying to stay under 10K
    If you are going primarily for looks you should just get a Mac and get it over with. I thought you were going for simplicity and a performance upgrade. I'm out of this discussion. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    If you are going primarily for looks you should just get a Mac and get it over with. I thought you were going for simplicity and a performance upgrade. I'm out of this discussion. Good luck.
    If resale value is unimportant to good for you. one takes a hit regardless...just like cars, some audio gear takes less of a hit. My ZU Omen Defs will sing with high wattage amps, low wattage, tube, class D, Class A/B or whatever. I have had everything plugged in at one time or another and the ZU's maintain what I like in a speaker. Sure, some amps will play better than others. The ZU Omen Defs are a "plug it in and forget it" design that happens to be high efficiency. The ZU Souls are a different bird altogether and favor lower wattage tubes. I have personally chatted with Sean Casey thru the years. Sean sold me my zu's, back in 2012, based on the fact I was hoping to have large wattage Macs or ARC amps someday. If I wanted to just go with Marantz, which is fine, I would be going to Music Direct, ordering a N40 or Yamaha, with a good return policy. I would not need to come to audiophile boards and ask for recommendations since Best Buy is around the corner. I have narrowed my choices down to Luxman, Accuphase and McIntosh....all three look great, all three have models I am looking for.


    One more thing, everyone knows advertisers are a big influence a magazine reviewer's coverage of a product. The same can be said for dealers. Deealers have to make a living. Mike is an exception to most dealers when it comes to recommending components. Mike says many good things about audio gear he does not sell . I've written to Mike a couple of times and have only received professional feedback. I actually called two dealers (one mac and one accuphase) who did not have any inventory of the models I am looking at and did a hard sell on MICHI integrated amps. I'm thinking there must be a manufacturer incentive or the units are not selling. One actually telling me I am crazy for not considering. I'm sure the Rotels/Michi's are nice....a great amp for the money, etc. However...they are not what I am looking for.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    My personal experience having owned 3 Accuphase integrated amps (E-470, E-600 and E-800) compared to my Luxman L-590AX, L-590 AXII, L-509 and L-595A SE. I very much wanted to like Accuphase but kept coming home to Luxman.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    If resale value is unimportant to good for you. one takes a hit regardless...just like cars, some audio gear takes less of a hit. My ZU Omen Defs will sing with high wattage amps, low wattage, tube, class D, Class A/B or whatever. I have had everything plugged in at one time or another and the ZU's maintain what I like in a speaker. Sure, some amps will play better than others. The ZU Omen Defs are a "plug it in and forget it" design that happens to be high efficiency. The ZU Souls are a different bird altogether and favor lower wattage tubes. I have personally chatted with Sean Casey thru the years. Sean sold me my zu's, back in 2012, based on the fact I was hoping to have large wattage Macs or ARC amps someday. If I wanted to just go with Marantz, which is fine, I would be going to Music Direct, ordering a N40 or Yamaha, with a good return policy. I would not need to come to audiophile boards and ask for recommendations since Best Buy is around the corner. I have narrowed my choices down to Luxman, Accuphase and McIntosh....all three look great, all three have models I am looking for.

    One more thing, everyone knows advertisers are a big influence a magazine reviewer's coverage of a product.
    The same can be said for dealers. Deealers have to make a living. Mike is an exception to most dealers when it comes to recommending components. Mike says many good things about audio gear he does not sell . I've written to Mike a couple of times and have only received professional feedback. I actually called two dealers (one mac and one accuphase) who did not have any inventory of the models I am looking at and did a hard sell on MICHI integrated amps. I'm thinking there must be a manufacturer incentive or the units are not selling. One actually telling me I am crazy for not considering. I'm sure the Rotels/Michi's are nice....a great amp for the money, etc. However...they are not what I am looking for.
    Complete nonsense. You might as well say everyone knows you are a tire kicker.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Complete nonsense. You might as well say everyone knows you are a tire kicker.
    what is nonsense? Just because I do not buy the first amp the dealer has in stock? I actually placed a deposit this week on an amp two hours away. The dealer called the morning that I was going to drive over and pick up and said he made a mistake and the amp was already spoken for? Tire Kicker? I'm ready to write the check (and did actually). Just because I'm not buying from a couple of dealers who contact me thru this forum or by email does not mean I'm kicking tires. The emails/PM's I get stating "I know a dealer, who knows a guy, who deals with a dealer" is not what I am wanting to deal with

  43. #43

    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreginNH View Post
    My personal experience having owned 3 Accuphase integrated amps (E-470, E-600 and E-800) compared to my Luxman L-590AX, L-590 AXII, L-509 and L-595A SE. I very much wanted to like Accuphase but kept coming home to Luxman.
    How do you like the L-509x?. There is one I am looking at

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    what is nonsense? Just because I do not buy the first amp the dealer has in stock? I actually placed a deposit this week on an amp two hours away. The dealer called the morning that I was going to drive over and pick up and said he made a mistake and the amp was already spoken for? Tire Kicker? I'm ready to write the check (and did actually). Just because I'm not buying from a couple of dealers who contact me thru this forum or by email does not mean I'm kicking tires. The emails/PM's I get stating "I know a dealer, who knows a guy, who deals with a dealer" is not what I am wanting to deal with
    You missed my point. Go back and read the part I bolded.
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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    You don't think advertising plays a role in how products are reviewed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    You don't think advertising plays a role in how products are reviewed?
    I think you have no idea what you are talking about and you should learn not to speak in declarative terms like "everybody knows." You have no basis in fact to make such statements. Stick with your own opinions and don't lump in the rest of the world with your opinions when you have no idea what "everybody knows."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcman View Post
    How do you like the L-509x?. There is one I am looking at
    The L-509x had a bit more lower-end slam than the L-590AXii. Maybe it gave up a small amount of "sweetness" that Luxman Class A has but it is definitely a keeper and would outperform any Accuphase integrated (based on my experience). Give it 200 hours or so to break in.
    Luxman C900u, Luxman, M900u, Luxman D-10X, Luxman PD-171A, LUMIN U1, Stenheim Alumine Three, Shunyata, Tellurium Q and Audioquest cables and interconnects, CORE Audio Design racks and a whole host of other silly audiophile accessories!

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    I had dipped out of this thread due to the "trollish" feel but I am agreeing with mep from two posts back.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by GreginNH View Post
    The L-509x had a bit more lower-end slam than the L-590AXii. Maybe it gave up a small amount of "sweetness" that Luxman Class A has but it is definitely a keeper and would outperform any Accuphase integrated (based on my experience). Give it 200 hours or so to break in.
    Correction, I see you have owned 3 sets of Accuphase Integrateds.

    I have personally owned the 509 back to back with the E480. The 480 is quieter, more dynamic and had better control in the bottom. Most people with experience in this hobby know that there are no absolutes, just great matches and personal preferences. At the end of the day anyone can hear which unit has a lower noise floor, and that will always be Accuphase.

    In addition, so many people are drawn to Class A, yet many speakers do not respond or present well with Class A. Why people dont realize this I dont know, but if you dont know, you have to try a Class A and A/B from the same manufacturer with your speakers before deciding if its the actual component that you dont enjoy or simply the pairing.

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    Re: How would you compare Luxman to Accuphase house sound?

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Outperform any Accuphase Integrated? Which Accuphase Integrateds have you owned?

    I have personally owned the 509 back to back with the E480. The 480 is quieter, more dynamic and had better control in the bottom. Most people with experience in this hobby know that there are no absolutes, just great matches and personal preferences. At the end of the day anyone can hear which unit has a lower noise floor, and that will always be Accuphase.
    I have owned the E-470, E-600 and E-800. As I previously mentioned, my observations are based on MY experience - just as yours are based on yours. Not sure "anyone can hear which unit has lower floor noise" as you state but I'm glad you are happy with Accuphase!
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