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    Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Hi all,

    Wanting to hear from owners and anyone who have auditioned either or both the Gryphon and VA on how each other would compare head to head- strengths, weaknesses etc.

    Speakers I am looking to drive are YG Acoustics Carmel 2 or Rockport Atria II.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    You will miss the Vac tube Pre.
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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Heard extensively gryphon300. Super integrated, a lot of dynamic.,actually explosive dynamic! You might think sometimes it s not reflecting real sound!
    Warm, detailed, it has it all, but in my taste it might still lack some magic!
    Never hear sia 25, but something inside is telling me the latter is in different league in terms of musicality and magic!


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    I owned an SIA-025 for a year. I've owned a lot of amps. Mc, Spectral, Pass, Rogers, a Vitus RI-100, and my current T+A. I wasn't a fan of the 025. Found it too "warm" actually. Quite "slow" and "syrupy." I haven't heard the Gryphon, but I suspect it would be the better choice. The good news is, if you choose the 025 , they are very inexpensive, given the release of the 030 (as I'm sure you know). Good luck!!! P.S. you may want to give the T+A PA3100HV a listen......
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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    You will miss the Vac tube Pre.
    I am trying not sell the VAC preamp.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    You will miss the Vac tube Pre.
    I am thinking about driving the YGs with the VAC poweramp and the existing line stage.

    The reason I mentioned this was because I can get the VA / Yg auditioned together.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    The Gryphon Diablo 300 and Vitus 25 are both integrateds with built in Preamps and you wouldn’t use the Vac Preamp is the reason I said you would miss tubes. I don’t remember if you can bypass their preamps and only use the amp section.
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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    The Gryphon Diablo 300 and Vitus 25 are both integrateds with built in Preamps and you wouldn’t use the Vac Preamp is the reason I said you would miss tubes. I don’t remember if you can bypass their preamps and only use the amp section.
    Is the vac pre that good?


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Dguitarnut View Post
    The Gryphon Diablo 300 and Vitus 25 are both integrateds with built in Preamps and you wouldn’t use the Vac Preamp is the reason I said you would miss tubes. I don’t remember if you can bypass their preamps and only use the amp section.
    I will miss that VAC pre but haven’t decided on which direction to go- sell or keep.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Haha! Keep VAC preamp, buy Gryphon Antileon Stereo amp. Awesome combination.
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    Love my Diablo 300 with Magico S3s. Better than a lot of separates that I previously owned.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Dth31 View Post
    Haha! Keep VAC preamp, buy Gryphon Antileon Stereo amp. Awesome combination.
    Funny you mentioned that, I was speaking to the Gryphon dealer about the Antileon Evo.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    I wish the D300 was within my budget. My budget is about 2/3 of the way there but then I have to purchase a DAC, phono stage, and streaming stuff. That puts the D300 pretty well out of reach for me. But I think there is enough top notch stuff out there that is within my budget ($12,500), I'll find something about as good. Lots of outstanding gear to pick from. I'll get to audition a D300 in October. So, at least I'll get to hear how it stacks up against other top shelf stuff. But, from what I've read on the net, the D300 is pretty hard to beat from about any aspect.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    I wish the D300 was within my budget. My budget is about 2/3 of the way there but then I have to purchase a DAC, phono stage, and streaming stuff. That puts the D300 pretty well out of reach for me. But I think there is enough top notch stuff out there that is within my budget ($12,500), I'll find something about as good. Lots of outstanding gear to pick from. I'll get to audition a D300 in October. So, at least I'll get to hear how it stacks up against other top shelf stuff. But, from what I've read on the net, the D300 is pretty hard to beat from about any aspect.
    If you like the 300 sound, we can look at the 120.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    I wish the D300 was within my budget. My budget is about 2/3 of the way there but then I have to purchase a DAC, phono stage, and streaming stuff. That puts the D300 pretty well out of reach for me. But I think there is enough top notch stuff out there that is within my budget ($12,500), I'll find something about as good. Lots of outstanding gear to pick from. I'll get to audition a D300 in October. So, at least I'll get to hear how it stacks up against other top shelf stuff. But, from what I've read on the net, the D300 is pretty hard to beat from about any aspect.

    The Hegel H590 might tick all your boxes.
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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If you like the 300 sound, we can look at the 120.


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    Yep, I haven't forgotten about the D120. It's definitely on the list. I'll want to try the D300 you currently have just to hear it. That should give me a pretty good idea what the D120 sounds like. There are going to be some tough choices to make. Nice problem to have.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob82 View Post
    Funny you mentioned that, I was speaking to the Gryphon dealer about the Antileon Evo.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Dth31 View Post
    I heard your VAC preamp and Antileon Evo Stereo amp with Magico M3's. STUNNING combination.
    I am considering the Gryphon Antileon Evo so I can keep the VAC in my setup.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by bart View Post
    The Hegel H590 might tick all your boxes.
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    Streaming capabilities onboard too, more to be expected via a software update in autumn (Roon).

    The H590 is at the top of my list. And I've heard it sounds superb with Harbeth speakers. Great synergy between those two components.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    The H590 is at the top of my list. And I've heard it sounds superb with Harbeth speakers. Great synergy between those two components.
    Harbeth and Gryphon Diablo 120 would be good too.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Interesting follow up on gryphon300.

    Yesterday my friend brought all his system to my home.
    He wanted to know why i m so happy with my new speakers : cube audio nenuphar.
    Full range, single driver, no crossover 6 ohm and 92db.
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    Gryphon300+dave+mscaller+n10.
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    Pc for gryphon:t.o.r sablon.
    I drive my speaker with mbl c51, 300 w class d .
    Guess what? Gryphon is an amazing match to these moderately sensible speakers!
    My friend was speechless, anticipating a bad match!
    I guess gryphon when used at low volume, throw class A only power, and that s what these babies like the most.
    Top gryphon300.
    Ticks all our boxes .
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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob82 View Post
    Harbeth and Gryphon Diablo 120 would be good too.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    The Antileon Evo price...$24,000?...Yikes!! Outta my league. But then, so is a Ferrari. Maybe after I'm in high end audio a little longer (I'm a virtual newb) I'll get used to such price tags. OTOH, I've been looking at and seriously considering $10,000 to $14,000 integrated amps and I find myself swallowing hard at those prices, let alone amps that cost twice as much.

    I think it's a matter of priorities. I wouldn't blink at spending $25,000 on a vintage '37 Martin D-18.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    The Antileon Evo price...$24,000...Yikes!! Outta my league. But then, so is a Ferrari. Maybe after I'm in high end audio a little longer (I'm a virtual newb) I'll get used to such price tags. OTOH, I've been looking at and seriously considering $12,000 to $14,000 integrated amps and I find myself swallowing hard at those prices, let alone amps that cost twice as much.
    The Essence is an between model between the Antileon Evo and Diablo. But those Harbeths will sing well with the Diablos.


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Yeah, Bob, the D120 is within my budget and on my radar.


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    Well, after hearing the D300 live there is no way I could not find a way to own that amp. I've decided to once again strrrreeeeeetttttcccchhh my budget. After hearing one I WILL have a D300.

    I initially started out (last February) with a $5000 budget for a new home audio system. I was so naive. Not that $5000 was unrealistic. Not at all. But the more money you spend the more you get. I just didn't realize the cost of upper medium to high end audio systems. If someone had told me I'd end up spending approximately $35,000 on a new home system I'd have thought they (and myself) had brain damage.

    Then, after many, many, hours of research and a lot of learning, as I started to become more familiar with the current crop of components and systems my budget started to expand. I can't tell you how many times I was absolutely positive regarding my choice of amp and speakers. I changed my mind regarding my choice of speakers and amp several times.

    But having to wait so long to decide on and purchase components for a new system has been a blessing in disguise. It has given me more of an opportunity to audition all the amps, speakers, and DAC/streaming components I'd dreamed of auditioning. If someone had told me I'd end up spending approximately $35,000 on a new home system I'd have thought they (and myself) had brain damage.


    At first I was going to make blind purchases without live auditioning, mainly because of the distance I'd have to travel to find a dealer that could meet my audio wants and needs. I had convinced myself there was no way I'd be able to afford a long trip to audition components, let alone finding a dealer with all the components I was interested in. But a fellow forumite suggested just a one or two day weekend trip was all I would need. And I would get to try out virtually all the amps I'd dreamed of owning.....live! Why didn't I think of that? I could handle a one or two day trip. Soooooo, I did it.
    Since I'm a relatively recent retiree (four years ago this December) I decided to fund my home audio purchase with money from my pension. The only thing keeping me from purchasing all my components at once.....taxes (capital gains). Sooooooo, my financial adviser recommended dividing my purchases over two years. I ended up purchasing my speakers, stands, cables and connects this year. I'll purchase the remainder of my system (amp, DAC/streamer, Roon Nucleus+, and any incidentals) January 2nd, 2020. Which just happens to be my birthday...

    So now you know the rest of the story. The minute my financial adviser opens for business January 2nd, 2020 I'll make the withdrawal and Mike will be a buck or two richer. And I'll be in hifi heaven.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    If you have to go to these extremes my gut tells me you are possibly making a bad decision- hi-fi is not worth this sacrifice !!

    Hopefully Mike can assist with a 'better' alternative .. ?




    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    Well, after hearing the D300 live there is no way I could not find a way to own that amp. I've decided to once again strrrreeeeeetttttcccchhh my budget. After hearing one I WILL have a D300.

    ....So now you know the rest of the story. The minute my financial adviser opens for business January 2nd, 2020 I'll make the withdrawal and Mike will be a buck or two richer. And I'll be in hifi heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jozua View Post
    If you have to go to these extremes my gut tells me you are possibly making a bad decision- hi-fi is not worth this sacrifice !!

    Hopefully Mike can assist with a 'better' alternative .. ?
    Huh? Have you even followed his journey?


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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

    Put one on , "layaway"... lmao
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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

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    Huh? Have you even followed his journey?


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    Extremes? What extremes?

    Yep. It's been a long journey (started last February). But very, very, thoroughly researched...in print, live auditions, and from a financial standpoint. At least as much or more than most people do. I've had great guidance from Mike and others. Especially Mike. I'll be well prepared and ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    Extremes? What extremes?

    Yep. It's been a long journey (started last February). But very, very, thoroughly researched...in print, live auditions, and from a financial standpoint. At least as much or more than most people do. I've had great guidance from Mike and others. Especially Mike. I'll be well prepared and ready.
    Just get Mike to deliver the Diablo now. Pay him later, he won't mind....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howiebrou View Post
    Just get Mike to deliver the Diablo now. Pay him later, he won't mind....

    Oh, how I wish.

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    No offence intended- hopefully many enjoyable listening hours lies ahead of you !


    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrassphile View Post
    Extremes? What extremes?

    Yep. It's been a long journey (started last February). But very, very, thoroughly researched...in print, live auditions, and from a financial standpoint. At least as much or more than most people do. I've had great guidance from Mike and others. Especially Mike. I'll be well prepared and ready.

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    Re: Gryphon Diablo 300 vs Vitus Audio SIA-025 mk II

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    No offence intended- hopefully many enjoyable listening hours lies ahead of you !

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