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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearce Harrison View Post
    Believe what you will.
    I believe in the truth. You are DaveyF. I read your other posts here and I know your writing style. It's too funny that you pretended to be a friend of yourself and bragged on your own system.
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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    I'm a guy with a preference for tubes, but insist on the low noise and linearity of solid state. my reference from years past was the sound of Tenor 75 watt OTL mono blocks. which were a very linear tube amplifier. alas; the Tenor's tended to explode and were generally not reliable. then I happened on the darTZeel solid state amp which got close to tubes, but had the attributes of solid state I liked. I'd call them a very minimalist and natural sounding amplifier.

    so for the last 15 years I've used solid state amps, but I would generally call myself a 'tube' guy.

    a year ago I revisited some 'uber' tube amps to see once and for all where my direction should be. I just had to scratch this long term itch for tubes. so I purchased a set of Lamm ML3 mono blocks, and borrowed a set of VAC Statement 450's and spent 3 months comparing them to my dart 458 solid state mono blocks.

    I found out that while I loved many great things about tubes, and these were 2 fantastic sets of tube amps for sure, for me the solid state darts get me closest to the music. they get out of the way. the big darts can excel on all the music. with those tube amps I'm always reminded that I'm listening to tubes......as beautiful as they can sound.

    if I listed my 5 or 10 favorite amps most of them would be tube amps, but at the top would be the darTZeel solid state.

    lastly; I think system context has it's place in this question. it's easier to add tubes to a system than to sort out all the nasty's of a room or gear. tubes can beautify and satisfy. going the solid state way can make more demands on the degree of refinement everywhere else in a system......to find that natural listen ability. horses for courses and all that. but when everything is really dialed in then solid state has the most upside to my ears.

    YMMV, just my 2 cents, and all that stuff.

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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    I'm a guy with a preference for tubes, but insist on the low noise and linearity of solid state. my reference from years past was the sound of Tenor 75 watt OTL mono blocks. which were a very linear tube amplifier. alas; the Tenor's tended to explode and were generally not reliable. then I happened on the darTZeel solid state amp which got close to tubes, but had the attributes of solid state I liked. I'd call them a very minimalist and natural sounding amplifier.

    so for the last 15 years I've used solid state amps, but I would generally call myself a 'tube' guy.

    a year ago I revisited some 'uber' tube amps to see once and for all where my direction should be. I just had to scratch this long term itch for tubes. so I purchased a set of Lamm ML3 mono blocks, and borrowed a set of VAC Statement 450's and spent 3 months comparing them to my dart 458 solid state mono blocks.

    I found out that while I loved many great things about tubes, and these were 2 fantastic sets of tube amps for sure, for me the solid state darts get me closest to the music. they get out of the way. the big darts can excel on all the music. with those tube amps I'm always reminded that I'm listening to tubes......as beautiful as they can sound.

    if I listed my 5 or 10 favorite amps most of them would be tube amps, but at the top would be the darTZeel solid state.

    lastly; I think system context has it's place in this question. it's easier to add tubes to a system than to sort out all the nasty's of a room or gear. tubes can beautify and satisfy. going the solid state way can make more demands on the degree of refinement everywhere else in a system......to find that natural listen ability. horses for courses and all that. but when everything is really dialed in then solid state has the most upside to my ears.

    YMMV, just my 2 cents, and all that stuff.
    I don't agree with your inference that tubes allow you not to "sort out all of the nasty's of a room or gear." I have had all SS systems and all tube systems and the same amount of work is required to set up either of them. If SS gear doesn't sound good in a room where a tube system shines, it's not the room's fault.
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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I don't agree with your inference that tubes allow you not to "sort out all of the nasty's of a room or gear." I have had all SS systems and all tube systems and the same amount of work is required to set up either of them. If SS gear doesn't sound good in a room where a tube system shines, it's not the room's fault.
    a room can be a factor in tube or solid state choice. not saying it's an absolute. no different than a tube or solid state phono stage or dac output stage. in all these situations tubes can allow greater listenability.

    we don't have to agree.....as I said YMMV, just my 2 cents, and all that stuff.

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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    a room can be a factor in tube or solid state choice. not saying it's an absolute. no different than a tube or solid state phono stage or dac output stage. in all these situations tubes can allow greater listenability.

    we don't have to agree.....as I said YMMV, just my 2 cents, and all that stuff.
    The room is always a determining factor in the ultimate sound quality you can achieve regardless of whether the system is SS or tube based. If your room sucks, it doesn't matter how much money you spend on gear or whether you buy SS or tube gear. I think we can agree on that.
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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    I believe in the truth. You are DaveyF. I read your other posts here and I know your writing style. It's too funny that you pretended to be a friend of yourself and bragged on your own system.
    Dude, I heard you had a fetish with this guy, what's up with that??

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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pearce Harrison View Post
    Dude, I heard you had a fetish with this guy, what's up with that??
    Your busted.
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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Why is it at 8 ohms only? I recently read a discussion on whether the Class A increase power into 4 ohms like A/B. Meaning if an amp was onl Class A up to 10 watts would it pproduce more than 10 watts into 4 ohms in Class A. Although I admit after reading I still don't know the answer, I got a bit lost, however, no mention of what you said that would have made their discussion moot.

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    All SS amps are a/ab very rare to have full class A and that ability is at 8 ohms only, if your speakers see 4 ohm and below your amp will transition to class B ..



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    Re: Do you prefer SS or tube? Why?

    Mostly tubes, but always some tubes.
    They add a dimension of depth and ambiance that I don't hear in SS gear.
    Although some SS comes closer than others, they all fall short of the mark until a tube (or more) is added to the system.
    I find that a mix of the two can provide superb results.
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