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    Why no turntable?

    Iím curious, why donít more audiophiles at least consider a basic vinyl rig? Iíve heard the regular reasons: too much care and feeding, I sold all my records, Iím not buying anymore vinyl, itís too much hassle. But I personally donít find that to be the case.

    Wouldnít having a turntable in addition to a great digital setup be nice?

    The great thing about a turntable is that a great turntable today will be a great turntable in 10 or 20 years from now. Wouldnít that be a good investment?



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    Re: Why no turntable?

    I can see the attraction to vinyl, but for me personally I’ve been spoiled by the convenience of Roon and Lumin.
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    Why no turntable?

    When I got back into Audio I was going to build a budget system around a pair of Snell speakers I bought in 1993, this included a turn table - the budget was blown and no turntable.

    I now want to add a simple vinyl system, despite wanting Brinkmann, betting on my foundation will give a serious contribution in sound quality, and I am not going over the top, I canít and wonít!

    Right now I am interested in Clear Audio top of the line Concept and their balanced Phono Stage, for less then $5000 unless anyone else has a suggestion in this league.


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    When I got back into Audio I was going to build a budget system around a pair of Snell speakers I bought in 1993, this included a turn table - the budget was blown and no turntable.

    I now want to add a simple vinyl system betting on my foundation will make up the difference, and not going over the top, canít and wonít!

    I am interested in Clear Audio Concept and their balanced Phono Stage, for less then $5000.


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    When I got back into Audio I was going to build a budget system around a pair of Snell speakers I bought in 1993, this included a turn table - the budget was blown and no turntable.

    I now want to add a simple vinyl system, despite wanting Brinkmann, betting on my foundation will give a serious contribution in sound quality, and I am not going over the top, I canít and wonít!

    Right now I am interested in Clear Audio top of the line Concept and their balanced Phono Stage, for less then $5000 unless anyone else has a suggestion in this league.


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    No Ed, don't do it. It is as big a hole as digital. Never ending trying to extract the best. And its hard. Very hard to learn and really set up right. Joe can set it up, but, he sells VPI. Then you need a phono preamp. Another pit of what to get. How to select. Then the cartridge. More owe my god. It will keep you from listening to music. And, your digital setup is going to slaughter any vinyl rig unless you spend $30K or more. Your really are at the pinnacle of digital. It will be hard to match it.

    Owe yea, it takes up a lot of room because it needs a dedicated stand to meet the expectation you are going to place on it. And where is that going to go in your listening room. Your speakers are very powerful. They will inject sound waves right into any TT near them.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Aside from the cost and maintenance hassle, the biggest issue for me with analog is you canít create playlists of songs you like. Being able to do that with my Lumin gives me hours of uninterrupted pleasure listening to music.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    the biggest issue for me with analog is you can’t create playlists of songs you like. Being able to do that with my Lumin gives me hours of uninterrupted pleasure listening to music.
    A true music lover listens to entire albums start to finish, no matter how torturous individual tracks are. Take the pain.
    Oddly enough, I listened to 2 Rachmaninoff symphonies back to back last night...on my digital rig. No irresistible urge to hit shuffle/random play. Weird.

    Btw, speaking of "analog" playlists, aren't cassettes making a comeback?

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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    No Ed, don't do it. It is as big a hole as digital. Never ending trying to extract the best. And its hard. Very hard to learn and really set up right. Joe can set it up, but, he sells VPI. Then you need a phono preamp. Another pit of what to get. How to select. Then the cartridge. More owe my god. It will keep you from listening to music. And, your digital setup is going to slaughter any vinyl rig unless you spend $30K or more. Your really are at the pinnacle of digital. It will be hard to match it.

    Owe yea, it takes up a lot of room because it needs a dedicated stand to meet the expectation you are going to place on it. And where is that going to go in your listening room. Your speakers are very powerful. They will inject sound waves right into any TT near them.
    The bottle of poison is in my hand


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    Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    The bottle of poison is in my hand


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    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Most of those telling you not to do it, donít presently own a turntable. Hmmm. And memories are a fickle thing. I donít know who ďJoeĒ is, but VPI is a real good one. Get a Prime and a nice Ortofon or similar cart and youíre in your budget.

    Setup is hard? No. And itís something you should learn anyway. Reading glasses help. Buy and watch this video and youíll have a new skill ó> https://www.amazon.com/21st-Century-.../dp/B000HA4WU2

    There are dozens of videos online as well like this one:

    https://youtu.be/VfJnMtolAWo

    But I would definitely get the Fremer one and watch it. That being said, Iím sure your dealer will set it up for you, but frankly, itís really a skill you want to know yourself. You will need a few basic tools and youíre on your way. VPIís come with a scale.

    Phonostage? SimAudio makes one for about $300. iFi too (iPhono 2). You can go up from there. The Manley Chinook is a killer for the $$.


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Most of those telling you not to do it, donít presently own a turntable. Hmmm. And memories are a fickle thing. I donít know who ďJoeĒ is, but VPI is a real good one. Get a Prime and a nice Ortofon or similar cart and youíre in your budget.

    Setup is hard? No. And itís something you should learn anyway. Reading glasses help. Buy and watch this video and youíll have a new skill ó> https://www.amazon.com/21st-Century-.../dp/B000HA4WU2

    There are dozens of videos online as well like this one:

    https://youtu.be/VfJnMtolAWo

    But I would definitely get the Fremer one and watch it. That being said, Iím sure your dealer will set it up for you, but frankly, itís really a skill you want to know yourself. You will need a few basic tools and youíre on your way. VPIís come with a scale.

    Phonostage? SimAudio makes one for about $300. iFi too (iPhono 2). You can go up from there. The Manley Chinook is a killer for the $$.


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    Thanks.

    When the day comes, I welcome the challenge of setup, as compulsive and detailed as we are I donít see it being an issue and have backup dealer options.


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