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    Re: Why no turntable?

    That is pretty much what I have found. Really good pressings and recordings shine.... I would say the best.... but other than the top notch records the digital can hold its own if not come out on top. That is why I have been concentrating on purchasing higher level albums! The bottom line is I enjoy both for different reasons. I find I have been listening to vinyl the most lately; probably because it is new to me. I am really enjoying the Rega table, but I am still getting used to the different aspects of vinyl.

    One other thing I have found that I enjoy is I can find some of my old favorites in vinyl that are not available in any form of digital.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by sb6 View Post
    I was thinking just the opposite, I'm surprised the digital doesn't trounce the analog. That DAC is quite good.
    If you truly feel that way, it means you have never heard what analog is capable of.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I’m curious, why don’t more audiophiles at least consider a basic vinyl rig? I’ve heard the regular reasons: too much care and feeding, I sold all my records, I’m not buying anymore vinyl, it’s too much hassle. But I personally don’t find that to be the case.

    Wouldn’t having a turntable in addition to a great digital setup be nice?

    The great thing about a turntable is that a great turntable today will be a great turntable in 10 or 20 years from now. Wouldn’t that be a good investment?



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    Mark - your recent purchase is proof of my last comment which started this whole thread.



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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Mark - your recent purchase is proof of my last comment which started this whole thread.



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    I certainly agree Mike!
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    Re: Why no turntable?

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    I certainly agree Mike!
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    That table does look awesome Mark!

    I am having fun enjoying the new table, and of course I still enjoy digital. Not enough hours to listen, especially with Cheryal at home all the time. Honestly she is great about it but I do try to spend time with her also... so I am constantly in a debate... do I go down stairs to be with Cheryal or spin another album .

    (especially when I have to go to the office every day and am very tired when I get home)
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    If you truly feel that way, it means you have never heard what analog is capable of.
    I've heard what analog and digital are capable of, believe me. My friend has the Caliburn and it's beautiful sounding. And IME listening to many systems that include digital and analog, digital wins when the source budget for each <=~$15K. Here's one data point - A friend with quite a good system had folks over and they compared a digital version to the record. Everyone commented that "The record sound better". I then made them aware that that's what happens when your cartridge alone costs more than your complete digital front end. And that's what I observe in most scenarios - Folks spend a fraction on their digital versus analog and then ignorantly state, analog is better. Spend equal $ on both up to $15K and report back. In most cases with most recordings with a fairly new digital front end, the digital will win in terms of sonics IME.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sb6 View Post
    I've heard what analog and digital are capable of, believe me. My friend has the Caliburn and it's beautiful sounding. And IME listening to many systems that include digital and analog, digital wins when the source budget for each <=~$15K. Here's one data point - A friend with quite a good system had folks over and they compared a digital version to the record. Everyone commented that "The record sound better". I then made them aware that that's what happens when your cartridge alone costs more than your complete digital front end. And that's what I observe in most scenarios - Folks spend a fraction on their digital versus analog and then ignorantly state, analog is better. Spend equal $ on both up to $15K and report back. In most cases with most recordings with a fairly new digital front end, the digital will win in terms of sonics IME.
    I appreciate you bringing some clarity to what appeared to be a blanket statement. So now you are referring to people having $15k to spend on a digital or analog system and you are saying the digital system at $15k will sound better to you.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Living with a turntable and actually using it also gives you another point of reference for sound. As I survey what some customers like and what they don’t like, I can’t help but notice a trend. Those who have not ever lived with vinyl/tape or not lived with it for a very long time, have a different version of a reference sound for digital than those with vinyl/tape in their systems. They tend to steer towards more artificial sounds: hyper detailed, even bright, thin, etched, processed and frankly, without even knowing it. They keep looking for more and more “detail” and acquaint that with their reference. This DAC has more “detail”, so it must be better. Folks who have a turntable/tape, tend towards more organic, full, natural sound and are not looking for hyper detail. I can’t help but wonder if some of the bad digital out there is retraining our ears on what is good sound. It’s funny, even some of the DAC’s that built their reputation on R2R have switched over to chips to get more “detail”. Not good. Not natural.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
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