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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Cadenza Black ?????? Really. Why not just get an Anna or a Koetsu or some other over the top extravagant cartridge. Randy has a $500 TT and a nice modest system. This talk seems foolish and uncomfortable to me. Imagine him. Think how your making Randy feel suggesting a over the top cartridge that cost as much as his T+A amp. He doesn't need a $2,700 cartridge to get good sound from that table. He could find a deal on a Quintet bronze or Back and really top out that table and have a superb cartridge matching his overall system.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

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    Cadenza Black ?????? Really. Why not just get an Anna or a Koetsu or some other over the top extravagant cartridge. Randy has a $500 TT and a nice modest system. This talk seems foolish and uncomfortable to me. Imagine him. Think how your making Randy feel suggesting a over the top cartridge that cost as much as his T+A amp. He doesn't need a $2,700 cartridge to get good sound from that table. He could find a deal on a Quintet bronze or Back and really top out that table and have a superb cartridge matching his overall system.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    I have seen this a million times. Randy dipped his toe in the water of analog and rather than get a cartridge he will want to replace in 6 -12 months, get a solid “law of diminishing returns” cart like the cadenza black. That way, if he want to step up his table and arm, he’s set. In the store, we have a $15,000 cart on a $4000 table with a stock arm. There is no hard and set formula.

    But if he wants a strict match for his table, the Quintet Black is a nice step up.


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    Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    Randy, can only second Mike on the Cadenza Black. I started off with the Cadenza Bronze, and it was great.

    And, I’m also happy to see others discovering the fun of vinyl. It seems we’re slowly getting over this unhelpful arguing whether digital or analog is better. They’re different shades of gray for the discerning music lover.


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    Assuming you stay with MM;


    My thought is move up to the Credenza Bronze MM at $400, then if you want to move up replace the stylus to the Cadenza Black MM for approx $550, but then your into this than initially buying the Black MM out the gate for about $750.

    Past this my gut, and only my gut says you may be out cartridging the benefits of the arm and table leaving little for the phono


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    Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have seen this a million times. Randy dipped his toe in the water of analog and rather than get a cartridge he will want to replace in 6 -12 months, get a solid “law of diminishing returns” cart like the cadenza black. That way, if he want to step up his table and arm, he’s set. In the store, we have a $15,000 cart on a $4000 table with a stock arm. There is no hard and set formula.

    But if he wants a strict match for his table, the Quintet Black is a nice step up.


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    Can’t agree more, it’s this way no matter anything Audio and heck even trading in my wife of 26 years and that’s what I’m trying to say below other than making it clear to stay with a MM versus MC on his setup allowing for improvement with consideration to some level of expense, but I’m only in knee deep in experience at this point


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Thank you for all the suggestions, opinions, etc. Always appreciated. I am definitely in a learning, or should I say relearning phase. I know back in the day I preferred MM cartridges versus MC. Not even sure exactly why. Maybe because every good preamp had a MM phone stage built in??? I did truly love my Grace Rudy. I also liked the Signet... I think the model was 7 something or another.

    I will probably hold tight for now. The 2M Blue seems to do a nice job to get me back in. I have also been putting a good chunk of change into accessories and albums. I just ordered a nice hand made record rack. Cheryal may not be real happy putting another grand into a cartridge for the new table right now .
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    I actually spoke with Ben, one of the founders of U-Turn. He said they have been trying the Ortofon 2M Bronze and believe it works very well with the U-Turn tables. He also stated that he believes the Black would probably be an over kill for the table/arm.

    My next move might be to try a Bronze. I could always add a Black stylus later if I wanted to try it. Then I would have the entire 2M series covered . At this time I don't feel like I am interested in a MC cartridge, will probably stick with MM for now. But as it stands the Blue seems to be working rather well.

    Here is one of Ben's replies- "Great question, we've done some experimenting with the 2M Bronze and it sounds great. I'd be wary of going any higher than this - the 2M Black is probably overkill."
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Smart move Randy. It's nice to hear UTurn has done their homework and are honest on what works best. I would trust the experts making the table. It will probably be advise based upon getting the most natural, balanced tone from rhe table.

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    Re: Why no turntable?

    First play with Bronze. Super easy install since the nuts are built into the cartridge body. How easy is that! Bit lighter tracking force. Sounds good but obviously on first song a but too early to tell the difference .

    Ok, first very very early report. Very slight edge, especially in high frequency. Totally expected and with a little time I anticipate that smoothing.

    But... acoustic guitar, Eva Cassidy Simply Eva... wow... hearing her fingers on the strings like she is sitting here playing, and a slight reverb from the guitar body. Close to stunning difference in this regards. Also noticeably quieter.

    First listen it is quite impressive!
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    Re: Why no turntable?

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    ... acoustic guitar, Eva Cassidy Simply Eva... wow... hearing her fingers on the strings like she is sitting here playing, and a slight reverb from the guitar body. Close to stunning difference in this regards. Also noticeably quieter.

    First listen it is quite impressive!
    randy -- i have really enjoyed following your experience with the u-turn. thanks for all the posts and info.

    at this point i would be very curious as to how you would characterize this analog set-up in comparison to your digital source... maybe something along the lines of "different but just as enjoyable" or maybe " different, enjoyable but not on the level of the t+a dac8 dsd source"... etc?

    just trying to get some idea of how high one has to go up the analog food chain to reach a point of "different but equal" relative to a system with the t+a. sounds like, with some tweaks, you have come pretty darn close with the u-turn.

    thanks, and keep the posts coming!!
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