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    AJ, have you captured a Youtube of your ADA test yet. I gather you never got Al to your place. The other thread just ends.


    I wasn't trying to dredge up another digital vs analog spout. Whoops. Maybe my point should have been more along the line that when you get to higher levels of vinyl equipment, the level of playback quality really goes up. Enough so in my case it moved beyond my digital. Maybe I could play some leap frog. My DAC is now the entry level unit with Mojo Audio. The new Evo DAC by Mojo is suppose to be quite a bit better, but its now getting into the $9k to $11k range depending on options. But then I could get a new TT cartridge. But then a new dgital cable, but then a new tone arm, but then a new etc etc etc.

    I guess its wrong to say one betters the other because something can be changed to alter the outcome. In my case, moving from a modded Rega RP6 to the STST Motus II was a large uptick in performance. The expressive nature of music was improved by a large degree making existing media I have a much closer to your there level of playback.

    Maybe what I have found, in my sytem is that in the sub $6k range digital does everything vinyl does and many times better. As I got over $11k, the vinyl started taking the show. If I upgraded my DAC, I would be in the $15k digital realm and who knows the outcome then.

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    The compare has been done at all levels Rex and even diehard digi freaks give in when exposed .. Analog is a PITA , thats it , beats digital hands down all day everyday for preferred sound , of course this is system dependent , small scale underpowered systems will always favor digital , this has been my experience over the decades ....

    large scale systems with appropriate power excels on analog in no uncertain way, its not that the best digital is bad its just never ever sounds as natural always electronic, there are a few exceptions and degrees of this of course .. ..

    YMMV etc , etc ..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    As I explained, the differences in dynamics were so huge that they simply cannot be explained by differences in system dynamics, and that the other system also can sound very dynamic. And I have heard other orchestral LPs on that system with a much wider dynamic range. I used this example because it particularly highlighted the issue, as I explained in my post:



    So no, the LP/CD comparison does not always yield this result. This was a particularly drastic example that I used to try to explain an artifact which to a much lesser degree may very well also be present on other LPs of 'big' orchestral music, and which would explain the extra 'detail' and 'fullness' heard on LP.

    Just like other music, orchestral music can sound dynamically explosive on LP, but then mostly on 45 rpm pressings. For example the Reference Recordings Symphonie Fantastique is incredibly, stunningly dynamic on great vinyl playback. But it still does not have the huge absolute dynamic range of that Mahler 3 recording. If you would try to put that dynamic range on LP, the soft passages would probably compete with some surface noise.

    It is also no coincidence that the Sheffield drum track is on a 45 rpm LP, on one side of only 7 minutes length. You could not get those incredible dynamics from LP on a 33 rpm pressing of 20 minutes length with much less wide groves.

    You could, however, easily get such dynamics on a standard CD, as for example can be heard on the famous 7 minute drum solo "Freedom Rider" by Art Blakey, on a CD of more than 70 minutes length (Complete Blue Note Recordings, volume 1960-62, CD 3 of 4 CD box set).
    I think you have added more information for those reading. There are issues with the line of thinking you communicated above that are best left for your discovery over time and experience: much like how you came to where you are now.

    However, it still appears you have added support to my comment you replied to:
    "If the former, I could possibly understand. If it's the later, I have observed different outcomes that depends on a few variables. Experience tells me it is usually up to the process of how the track was transferred to the medium(s)."
    On a final note: If you want to know my general thoughts on the original question posed by Mike, you can see it earlier in the thread here: https://www.audioshark.org/showthrea...l=1#post276766

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    The event that AJ referenced above was on May 22, 2016. I found my notes from the event! The owner of Pure Vinyl did a presentation to the audiophile groups in Tampa and Sarasota at Bart’s house. At the time, Bart had JAMO speakers and Pass electronics, combined with EMM DAC. The Pure Vinyl guy brought a modest Rega turntable. My notes indicates a KORG A2D was used.

    Using Bart’s large screen and projector, he was able to project the results from his laptop onto the screen for everyone to see and obviously, hear in real time as the record was playing and the analog was being captured and converted to digital and then played back and compared and contrasted at the same time to the record being played.

    A first Japanese Pressing of Pink Floyd’s DSOTM was used as the source. An all analog recording and pressing at the time.

    What the test showed, was that even at the highest sample rate (24/192 in this case), there was still quite a bit of information on the record that was not being converted to digital. It was being truncated. Moreover, it was clear to me and everyone there (AJ may disagree, but at the time, pictures of his face show otherwise!) that the vinyl was clearly superior sonically and the data didn’t lie. There was information on the record that could not be captured by the Pure Vinyl. At the time, 24/192 was the highest level we could imagine. Would that change with a much higher bit/sample rate? I don’t know.

    Prior to the experiment, the digital only guys argued that we couldn’t hear above 16/44, but what the test showed and my notes clearly indicate was that there were indeed sonic cues, air, ambience and more that was being truncated by the digital file even at it’s highest sampling rate.

    I think it could be argued that in 2016, software, ADC’s and the like might not have been at the level they are today and the results today might be different, especially with higher sample rates.

    But in the end, this very old technology of a needle in a groove still produces fabulous sound and fun for millions of people around the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    AJ, have you captured a Youtube of your ADA test yet. I gather you never got Al to your place. The other thread just ends.
    Of course not. Who wants to be exposed and look silly for the entire world to see? It will never happen for that reason. Most audiophiles have just enough sense/cognizance to evade these type things.
    Btw, Al was never coming to my place, that I'm aware of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I guess its wrong to say one betters the other because something can be changed to alter the outcome.
    No, you're not wrong to say that within the limits of your stereo, you prefer X vs Y. That is not contentious whatsoever, nor anything to discuss further. Preference is absolute.
    Problems only arise when audiophiles project beyond their own realities into physical reality.
    As I've linked numerous times, the one or two who have been exposed to reality outside the echo-chamber bubble, wouldn't be arguing for 19th century stereo tech being the ultimate reproduction in the 21st century. At least not among rational folks.
    What they prefer is another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The event that AJ referenced above was on May 22, 2016. I found my notes from the event! The owner of Pure Vinyl did a presentation to the audiophile groups in Tampa and Sarasota at Bart’s house. At the time, Bart had JAMO speakers and Pass electronics, combined with EMM DAC. The Pure Vinyl guy brought a modest Rega turntable. My notes indicates a KORG A2D was used.

    Using Bart’s large screen and projector, he was able to project the results from his laptop onto the screen for everyone to see and obviously, hear in real time as the record was playing and the analog was being captured and converted to digital and then played back and compared and contrasted at the same time to the record being played.

    A first Japanese Pressing of Pink Floyd’s DSOTM was used as the source. An all analog recording and pressing at the time.

    What the test showed, was that even at the highest sample rate (24/192 in this case), there was still quite a bit of information on the record that was not being converted to digital. It was being truncated. Moreover, it was clear to me and everyone there (AJ may disagree, but at the time, pictures of his face show otherwise!) that the vinyl was clearly superior sonically and the data didn’t lie. There was information on the record that could not be captured by the Pure Vinyl. At the time, 24/192 was the highest level we could imagine. Would that change with a much higher bit/sample rate? I don’t know.

    Prior to the experiment, the digital only guys argued that we couldn’t hear above 16/44, but what the test showed and my notes clearly indicate was that there were indeed sonic cues, air, ambience and more that was being truncated by the digital file even at it’s highest sampling rate.

    I think it could be argued that in 2016, software, ADC’s and the like might not have been at the level they are today and the results today might be different, especially with higher sample rates.

    But in the end, this very old technology of a needle in a groove still produces fabulous sound and fun for millions of people around the world.
    I would love to see this re-done and recorded in DSD, preferably DSD256 or above. I bet the results would be much closer. I have had some great and very informative conversations with David Elias. A wonderful artist but also into tech. He previous worked for tech companies.

    He was a very early adopter of digital, especially DSD. He believes in no uncertain terms that DSD is much more analog sounding. He also now understands why DSD256 and DSD512 sound even better. He is also a huge advocate of MQA for streaming and portable use, but he believes DSD sounds better. He came to these beliefs being one of the first artist to release his albums recorded in DSD. He was also one of the very first to release his catalog in MQA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dre_J View Post
    I think you have added more information for those reading.
    I am glad you think that's the case.

    However, it still appears you have added support to my comment you replied to:

    "If the former, I could possibly understand. If it's the later, I have observed different outcomes that depends on a few variables. Experience tells me it is usually up to the process of how the track was transferred to the medium(s)."
    Undoubtedly that plays a role, yes.

    On a final note: If you want to know my general thoughts on the original question posed by Mike, you can see it earlier in the thread here: https://www.audioshark.org/showthrea...l=1#post276766
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The event that AJ referenced above was on May 22, 2016.
    No Mike, the real time ADA level matched switching was maybe 2 years back, held at a Hillsborough County library. I do recall that event at Barts, that was vinyl ripping. That Channel D (?) is pretty neat software.
    My event, there is no recording, its all live LP playback, straight vs a ADA looped version

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    No Mike, the real time ADA level matched switching was maybe 2 years back, held at a Hillsborough County library. I do recall that event at Barts, that was vinyl ripping. That Channel D (?) is pretty neat software.
    My event, there is no recording, its all live LP playback, straight vs a ADA looped version

    The results were clear. Way more info on the record we could measure and hear. He played the record Vs the digital rip. Yes, Channel D makes the Pure Vinyl software.


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    We should get back on topic rather than another analog Vs digital.


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    We should get back on topic rather than another analog Vs digital.


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    One topic is logically linked to the other, Mike. That became even more clear to me as I just re-read your OP.

    The answer to your question "Why no turntable" is intrinsically linked to if you find it sonically necessary or not.

    I very much enjoy vinyl in my friends' systems, and often really love the experience. But I don't find it necessary for myself. Even though there are some occasions where the same recording really sounds better on vinyl than on digital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    One topic is logically linked to the other, Mike. That became even more clear to me as I just re-read your OP.

    The answer to your question "Why no turntable" is intrinsically linked to if you find it sonically necessary or not.

    I very much enjoy vinyl in my friends' systems, and often really love the experience. But I don't find it necessary for myself. Even though there are some occasions where the same recording really sounds better on vinyl than on digital.
    You need a turntable in YOUR system to really experience it. Otherwise, it’s a mute point. Listening at friends homes just isn’t the same. Not even close.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    You need a turntable in YOUR system to really experience it. Otherwise, it’s a mute point. Listening at friends homes just isn’t the same. Not even close.


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    Sorry, I don't follow the logic.

    And you say I need to spend all the money on an outcome I already know from elsewhere, instead of spending it on optimizing the one source that I chose to be important for me? If I had done that, my CD replay would be much poorer (it, or its file equivalent, would also be much poorer if I had invested in computer audio to be able to play hi-res, taking money away from optimizing my system elsewhere). I don't have unlimited amounts of money lying around.

    And by the way, while I can listen through the clicks and pops in my friends' systems (to the point where I don't even seriously notice them even when my friends themselves complain about some of them!) I could never do that in my own system. I know because I have been through this in my youth. Never again. In that sense, CD was a godsend, liberating me from LP cleaning OCD.
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    I agree, no one NEEDS more than one source. Its suppose to be about enjoying music. Not analyzing your system. It's just a choose to have a second source. Or third. I made the mistake of buying a third source. Huge waste if money and a letdown for me. No desire to dump gobbs of money to try and make it better. The only good a 3rd source did for me was show me the cost of media for the first two is very affordable. Especially the streaming. As far as vinyl, digital and vinyl are close enough sonically it appears a waste of money, to me, to but high end records. The beauty in vinyl for me is finding an old Ray Charles or Art Pepper for $6 and its a smoking good recording. Spending $50 to get a remake that takes a concerted A/B to discern the differences between vinyl and digital is not a good use of money. For me.

    Edit to add, When I say vinyl is better than digital, the old Ray Charles, Art Pepper, Duke Ellington, Ella etc are the amazing finds on vinyl that digital reissues miss the magic. I have some $6 to $19 old records that are just amazing. The remakes of these album are not like the old vinyl. There is tonal purity in those grooves. And they are affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I agree, no one NEEDS more than one source. Its suppose to be about enjoying music. Not analyzing your system. It's just a choose to have a second source. Or third. I made the mistake of buying a third source. Huge waste if money and a letdown for me. No desire to dump gobbs of money to try and make it better. The only good a 3rd source did for me was show me the cost of media for the first two is very affordable. Especially the streaming. As far as vinyl, digital and vinyl are close enough sonically it appears a waste of money, to me, to but high end records. The beauty in vinyl for me is finding an old Ray Charles or Art Pepper for $6 and its a smoking good recording. Spending $50 to get a remake that takes a concerted A/B to discern the differences between vinyl and digital is not a good use of money. For me.

    Edit to add, When I say vinyl is better than digital, the old Ray Charles, Art Pepper, Duke Ellington, Ella etc are the amazing finds on vinyl that digital reissues miss the magic. I have some $6 to $19 old records that are just amazing. The remakes of these album are not like the old vinyl. There is tonal purity in those grooves. And they are affordable.

    Sure you don't need BUT ONE source, one only needs one car, one bike, one of anything. But it can be about enjoying the music with more than on source. I happen to enjoy listening to an LP and holding the LP jacket, maybe its my age but its what I LIKE TO DO. I've got hundreds of LP's, hundreds of CD's some downloads but i stream as well. Big deal. its the music. I like a lot of others like the older pressings, whoopie freaking do.... This type of thread regardless on which forum its under always goes down the same street of nonsense. Digital vs LP vs tape vs CD vs download vs streaming. Just one sided jibber jabber that never stops. Well back to watching reruns of golf tournaments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    I agree, no one NEEDS more than one source. Its suppose to be about enjoying music. Not analyzing your system. It's just a choose to have a second source. Or third. I made the mistake of buying a third source. Huge waste if money and a letdown for me. No desire to dump gobbs of money to try and make it better. The only good a 3rd source did for me was show me the cost of media for the first two is very affordable. Especially the streaming. As far as vinyl, digital and vinyl are close enough sonically it appears a waste of money, to me, to but high end records. The beauty in vinyl for me is finding an old Ray Charles or Art Pepper for $6 and its a smoking good recording. Spending $50 to get a remake that takes a concerted A/B to discern the differences between vinyl and digital is not a good use of money. For me.

    Edit to add, When I say vinyl is better than digital, the old Ray Charles, Art Pepper, Duke Ellington, Ella etc are the amazing finds on vinyl that digital reissues miss the magic. I have some $6 to $19 old records that are just amazing. The remakes of these album are not like the old vinyl. There is tonal purity in those grooves. And they are affordable.

    Sure you don't need BUT ONE source, one only needs one car, one bike, one of anything. But it can be about enjoying the music with more than on source. I happen to enjoy listening to an LP and holding the LP jacket, maybe its my age but its what I LIKE TO DO. I've got hundreds of LP's, hundreds of CD's some downloads but i stream as well. Big deal. its the music. I like a lot of others like the older pressings, whoopie freaking do.... This type of thread regardless on which forum its under always goes down the same street of nonsense. Digital vs LP vs tape vs CD vs download vs streaming. Just one sided jibber jabber that never stops. Well back to watching reruns of golf tournaments.
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    Why watch golf. Buy a Golden Tee golf machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingrex View Post
    Why watch golf. Buy a Golden Tee golf machine.
    Ah Why ? LOL
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    They are renting pinball machines. Its a hot market in this lockdown.

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    I actually have four sources, but really only listen to two. I listen to digital and I listen to vinyl. I will probably be listening a bit more to digital in the coming days ... after breaking a stylus I know I need to be much more careful when playing vinyl. It is not that I feel one is better than the other; I enjoy both for very different reasons.

    I also have a very nice tuner. I don't listen to radio often but sometimes I like having it mainly in the background. I also have a CD/SACD spinner. This I never spin a disk with. I use it for the occasional rip of a disk (SACD) or if a friend brings over a silver disk they want to listen to; again this is very rare.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I actually have four sources, but really only listen to two. I listen to digital and I listen to vinyl. I will probably be listening a bit more to digital in the coming days ... after breaking a stylus I know I need to be much more careful when playing vinyl. It is not that I feel one is better than the other; I enjoy both for very different reasons.

    I also have a very nice tuner. I don't listen to radio often but sometimes I like having it mainly in the background. I also have a CD/SACD spinner. This I never spin a disk with. I use it for the occasional rip of a disk (SACD) or if a friend brings over a silver disk they want to listen to; again this is very rare.
    How did you break a stylus Randy?
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    Oh it was not good. There was alcohol involved and I decided to change stylus and put the bronze on. No big deal there, but putting the stylus guard on (a really stupid design I might add) I slipped and the rest is history ... At least I have the bronze so I am still up and running...
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Oh it was not good. There was alcohol involved and I decided to change stylus and put the bronze on. No big deal there, but putting the stylus guard on (a really stupid design I might add) I slipped and the rest is history ... At least I have the bronze so I am still up and running...
    .
    Thanks for your honesty Randy! It's usually the maid.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Oh it was not good. There was alcohol involved and I decided to change stylus and put the bronze on. No big deal there, but putting the stylus guard on (a really stupid design I might add) I slipped and the rest is history ... At least I have the bronze so I am still up and running...
    I had the Bronze some time ago as well. And I was always afraid to use the stylus guard. Botched design.


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    I am thinking that I will live with the bronze for a while. I think the black may sound a bit better, but it was very close. The bronze does have a bit less surface noise, so not sure I want to spend that much on another black stylus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Thanks for your honesty Randy! It's usually the maid.
    Yea, that's it, it was the maid... I swear it was...


    oh wait, I would actually have to have a maid for me to blame her... dam... never mind.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Ah, stylus guard design. The Ortofon Cadenza / Kontrapunkt / Jubilee / Windfeld guards always made me nervous as hell. An ancient Ortofon MC20 with permanently attached flippable visor was the exception - very easy to use. Ortofon could surely stand to focus on more "user friendly" guards for its newer models. Koetsu guards are great - really easy to use, even drunk as hell (lol). Shelter guards are good too, at least until the metal prongs get bent slightly out of the perfect tension - then they suck. And the various Benzes didn't even have one! Made mounting them an anxious endeavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Yea, that's it, it was the maid... I swear it was...


    oh wait, I would actually have to have a maid for me to blame her... dam... never mind.

    Blame on the dog or cat, its an easier sell LOL
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    Why no turntable?

    Both the Ortofon 2M series (what Randy is using) and Cadenza series (what Kuoppis had) stylus covers are not worth re-applying to the cart IMO. Too much risk, sober or not of damaging the stylus/cantilever. Same with the Dynavector 20X2 carts as I know too well with a 20X2H cart that got one LP's worth of playing before I farked it up attempting to place the cover in place. Instead, I just don't attempt it any more.
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    So after giving some run in time and settling on various components (in budgets I can afford) I have a few more thoughts.

    First off I still think my digital is amazing!
    Secondly I find myself drawn to the vinyl side. I truly can't put my finger on it, but the vinyl is being a bit addicting to me right now.
    Third, the Rega analog pieces have insane synergy. Obviously designed for each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    So after giving some run in time and settling on various components (in budgets I can afford) I have a few more thoughts.

    First off I still think my digital is amazing!
    Secondly I find myself drawn to the vinyl side. I truly can't put my finger on it, but the vinyl is being a bit addicting to me right now.
    Third, the Rega analog pieces have insane synergy. Obviously designed for each other.
    Well said. Your second point is bang on!


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    Why no turntable?

    I think it’s vinyl as a whole experience. The intricate tech, ability to play with it and adjust all the parts, getting to master it, hearing differences between carts, collecting vinyls, the ceremony of playing, the sound with the details and nuances.
    “Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”

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