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July 31, 2020, 02:03 PM #1Senior Member
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Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
Is anybody using a long XLR interconnect (5M-7M) from the Phono Stage to the Line Stage? With new construction starting with my new listening room I’ll be rearranging things a bit.
I’m assuming it should be OK with the balanced XLR interconnect as opposed to the RCA interconnect.Paul
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July 31, 2020, 03:20 PM #2Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
Long line level XLR balanced interconnects are in the range of about 100 meters (300 feet) or much longer.
5 or 7 meter XLR interconnects are short XLR interconnects indeed.
Now for seldom seen, phono cartridge out to pre-amp in, it's a different ballgame.
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July 31, 2020, 07:38 PM #3Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
The application would not be from phono Cartridge to preamp. There would be a 1 meter RCA interconnect from cartridge to phono stage and from phono stage to preamp would be. 5-7 meter XLR interconnect.
Originally Posted by Speedskater
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July 31, 2020, 08:19 PM #4Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
For interconnects much longer than 3 meters (10 feet) a complete balanced XLR interconnect systems is most often better than an RCA interconnect system.
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July 31, 2020, 09:39 PM #5Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
that is completely false. Originally Posted by Speedskater
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July 31, 2020, 10:15 PM #6Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
I agree with XV-1. provided the input impedance of the line stage is 10x greater than the output impedance of the phono stage you wont have freq roll off at the extremes, I actually like to see 20x to be totally safe. Furthermore, low capacitance ICs are preferred when running single-ended, I've run up to 30 ft of single-ended ICs without deleterious effects.
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August 1, 2020, 11:27 AM #7Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
completely false ?? tell us why !! Originally Posted by XV-1
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August 1, 2020, 01:55 PM #8Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
For both long and short runs I use balanced if at all possible, because with so much gear and external EMI I can only run single-ended connections for a short length before they will pick up noise.
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
even with shielded SE connections? thanks! Originally Posted by NekoAudio
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August 2, 2020, 08:07 AM #10Senior Member
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Re: Long XLR Cable Length From Phono Stage to Line Stage
Yep, but it depends on the design of the Single Ended RCA output stage, interconnect cable, input stage and AC mains wiring system.
It's called 'Common Impedance Coupling Noise' current.
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