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    The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    About a month ago, with the advice of Yair Tamam (Magico LLC CTO), I positioned my system in the space in a different way (to the wide side of the room), and the change in location resulted in a considerable jump in the sound quality received.

    Nevertheless, I was sure I can squeeze more out of the system and room.

    Yesterday my friend who’s also the owner of a business for custom audio and home theater installs brought with him a bunch of equipment for benefit of room measurement and analysis, he also brought with him two large panels for the purpose of bass absorbing.

    After connecting his equipment (microphone, computer, Storm sound processor, small subwoofer, and its amp) he started taking the room measurements (countless of them were performed till the end of the day).

    After wood he and another friend of me that is also very familiar with room measurement and the use of room correction systems set to analyze the situation and explain to me each graph in great detail (in the end even a layman like me was able to understand all the graphic gibberish).
    The good news was that the room does not reverberate and the speaker's frequency of 180 and above is a straight-like line due to Magico’s ability to spread the sound equally.

    however, there was a deep in the sound of -12 DB somewhere between 80 and 130 which makes the bass at the listening point sound lower as well as other negative effects on the rest of the sound.

    We move the speakers backward, and forward, to the sides, each time repeating the measurements until we finally found an ideal location.
    After finding the ideal point for the speakers we started to try placing the bass treatment in several places near the corners to see where they would be placed at their best (again remeasures and analyze after every time we moved the bass treatment).

    Finally, after more than 12 measurements to my recall, we reached the desired destination, the bass treatments found a place in the corners when they are parallel to the front wall and hidden behind the curtain.

    Bottom line, the use of the bass treatment and the change in location resulted in a huge jump in the quality of the sound at every possible level. as a result of the measurements, we were able to efficiently treat the deep issue in the lower range of sound, bringing the system to another peak, one that makes the listener shiver.

    Now the bass sounds more powerful and cleaner than ever, which of course affects the cleanliness and whizzing of the mids and highs.
    The end result is a very balanced system, powerful and organic yet detailed but in a good musical way - in short, audiophile nirvana.
    It is difficult to impossible to achieve such a result without knowing your room through measurements that let you see the room issues and make it possible to treat/challenge those issues.
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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Well done, nice job.
    Yes, RTA's, Sound level meters and such can be invaluable for the everday audiophile.
    I have found using the tracks on a disc (either on Tidal or Qobuz) called Audio Check along with an app on your phone called "AudioTools" a layperson can achieve great results in room/system set up.
    Audio Check has many tones, right/left identification and pink noise along with others.
    Using the pink noise in Audio Check with the RTA in AudioTools lets you see in real time the frequency response of your system.
    Glad you were able to bring your system to the next level.
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    DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Very exciting to get something that was already probably sounding great, based on some really nice gear, dialed in to that level. Enjoy!
    Lumin X1 > Boulder 1161 > Scansonic MB3.5 B

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    JadeDavid: is the AudioTools app the one that’s 19.99 on the iTunes App Store?
    Lumin X1 > Boulder 1161 > Scansonic MB3.5 B

    Interconnects: HiDiamond Genesis Big XLR
    Speaker Cable: Zu IBIS
    Ethernet: SOtM sNH-10G switch / Wireworld Platinum Starlight 8 Ethernet (Lumin L1) / Owens Corning OS2 SM Fiber (Lumin X1)
    Power Conditioning: Ayre L-5xe Line Filter (amp, X1) / Keces P3 LPS w/ Uptone Audio Saphire DC cable (L1) / SOtM sPS-500 (switch)
    Power Cables: Shunyata, Transparent
    Music Source: Lumin L1 NAS / Qobuz / Roon

    Tweaks: Artesania Audio damper | Shakti Air | Shakti Onlines | Synergistic Big MIG footers | Alto-extremo Lyd footers | Ginko Cloud 15 (X1) | IsoAcoustics Gaia II

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Quote Originally Posted by jmusica View Post
    JadeDavid: is the AudioTools app the one that’s 19.99 on the iTunes App Store?
    Yep, the basic app has SPL, RTA and more
    My System:
    Lumin A-1
    Lampizator BALTIC3
    Supratek Chardonnay
    Pass XA30.5 or
    Line Magnetic 845ia
    Reference 3A Reflector's
    Pr Speedwoofer Subs
    Cables: Teo Audio, Cerious Tech, Fusion Audio.
    Two dedicated 20 Amp circuits. Shunyata Hydra. EP2050
    DIY bass traps and custom curved diffusors.

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    congrats, yes the room is what you want to measure.
    thr units in the corner are cd-holders or are this the absorbers you are talking about?

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Quote Originally Posted by u-sound View Post
    congrats, yes the room is what you want to measure.
    thr units in the corner are cd-holders or are this the absorbers you are talking about?
    The absorbers are installed after the curtain in each corner ( you can see the absorbers corner in picture 2), and the cd-holder is in front of the curtain.

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Quote Originally Posted by jmusica View Post
    Very exciting to get something that was already probably sounding great, based on some really nice gear, dialed in to that level. Enjoy!
    Thank you.

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    ....
    It is difficult to impossible to achieve such a result without knowing your room through measurements that let you see the room issues and make it possible to treat/challenge those issues.
    Agree 100%.

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    The absorbers are installed after the curtain in each corner ( you can see the absorbers corner in picture 2), and the cd-holder is in front of the curtain.
    ok,thx. what brand of absorbers are they?
    are the cd-holders placed in the corners for acoustical reasons?
    nice room btw

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    Re: The help of measurements allowed me to take my system to another level

    Did you measure different listening positions to determine which position had the smoothest bass? I didn’t see any mention of it and it really should be the first step in the setup process.
    Morgan

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