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January 10, 2018, 07:18 PM #1301
MQA Discussion
My inbox was full with complaints. I’m not closing the thread because it’s taken me years to compile a central location for everything MQA.
Hopefully you two can agree to disagree.
Speaking of filters, it appears this thread needed one today.
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January 10, 2018, 07:25 PM #1302
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Thanks for the feedback Mike, I agree with you.
Appears it is indeed very difficult to have a fact based online discussion about MQA. Instead of substance opinions, pretense of technical expertise and misinformation are used to create confusion. E.g. a point about frequency output at the loudspeaker is not really an argument against MQA, but rather against any hi-res content in general incl. DSD. It does not have anything to do with MQA encoding at all. I exposed some of that behavior, but it does not make for a very nice conversation. When claims are made without backing them up an exchange becomes really meaningless and so my further participation is pointless.
I won’t post on this thread again, there are for sure people with better knowledge on MQA than myself.
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January 10, 2018, 09:08 PM #1303
Re: MQA Discussion
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January 10, 2018, 11:51 PM #1304
Re: MQA Discussion
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January 11, 2018, 09:27 AM #1305
Re: MQA Discussion
MQA at CES per Stereophile https://www.stereophile.com/content/...qobuz-and-more
No mention of MQA with Qobuz??
Or the new condition it induces, Rabidfanboyismia? Ok, just kidding.
They don't seem to give any details of the actual number of devices, just percentages. Will expand on later..
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January 11, 2018, 11:50 AM #1306
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January 11, 2018, 12:31 PM #1307
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January 12, 2018, 09:46 AM #1308
Re: MQA Discussion
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January 13, 2018, 12:29 PM #1309
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This finally appeared on the Website a few days ago
https://www.stereophile.com/category/we-see-itRob
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January 13, 2018, 01:00 PM #1310
Re: MQA Discussion
Regardless of MQA's technical elegance and promised increase in sound quality, the removal of consumer choice in recorded music is indeed a relevant issue.—John Atkinson
The openly stated goal is unauthentic Master Quality Aliasing for all, no choice.
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January 16, 2018, 02:28 PM #1311
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Roon will (finally) be doing the first MQA unfold. This from MQA folks:
MQA Music Players
Roon Labs is the latest software partner to announce integrated MQA support for its award-winning music player. Roon’s desktop software will support local MQA file playback, as well as TIDAL MQA streaming for HiFi subscribers.
Roon now joins MQA software partners Amarra and Audirvana, who both continue to work on their Windows implementation of MQA. Audirvana Plus for Windows 10 will be released by end of January 2018, enjoying the same feature levels as Audirvana Plus for Mac, and benefiting additionally from a totally redesigned user interface.
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January 16, 2018, 02:40 PM #1312
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Finally!
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January 23, 2018, 04:37 PM #1314
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hey guys - what does the MQA catalog look like these days?
I remember a few months ago around 7,500 titles.Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12
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January 23, 2018, 05:04 PM #1315
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Around 10K
http://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubb...318#Post268318
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January 23, 2018, 06:35 PM #1316
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I want something much simpler from Roon... Just identify the bloody MQA songs while browsing Tidal, from within Roon!!!!!! Will surely make our lives easier...
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January 24, 2018, 01:51 AM #1318
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January 24, 2018, 02:42 AM #1319
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The reason Roon does not provide this functionality is here:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/tid...-roon/22228/40
Tidal desktop app and Lumin app do.Peter Lie
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January 24, 2018, 11:59 PM #1320
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January 25, 2018, 01:02 AM #1321
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I'm sorry if I didn't repeat the whole line... But here it is: I want to, while browsing Tidal, *within Roon*, to be able to identify which are MQA and which aren't.
I found the excuses that were pointed in Roon's forum to be, frankly, ridiculous. So Roon can display the little "E" badge for explicit lyrics, but it somehow doesn't know which album is MQA and which aren't...
Maybe wklie can shed some light into this, since his company HAS been able to identify the MQA tracks and properly badge them...
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January 25, 2018, 05:28 AM #1322
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The way we show the MQA icon for Tidal in Lumin app is straightforward - simply according to the metadata Tidal gives us.
My understanding is that Roon CTO considered this method to be not perfect. It may occur that the metadata indicates it's a Tidal Master album, but actual Tidal streaming downgrade it to CD quality or refuse to stream it due to regional licensing, etc. (However, we never received such a report. And even if this inaccuracy can happen occasionally in theory, I still think it's better to offer this function.)Peter Lie
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January 25, 2018, 03:17 PM #1323
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Yep, that's what I understood as well. Since it's out of their control, they'd rather not provide the information. Clearly unacceptable, but...
I don't get that excuse, specially given that you can always get the exact signal path with Roon, by click on that blob next to the song that's being played. Seems like they expect Tidal to do all the work for then, and only present the MQA album when it can actually be played as such (taking into account the user's subscription, settings, etc.)
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January 25, 2018, 07:31 PM #1325
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I love Roon. It's by far the best interface. They go above and beyond, including that nice signal path display. I just don't get why they can't be bothered to provide another piece of very useful information. You don't need to get all worked up about it. I was just venting my frustration with an otherwise incredible product.
I never said they're lazy, I just don't think their excuse is a good one. Again, no need for you to get all worked up about it...
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January 26, 2018, 08:04 PM #1326
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Great read: https://www.audiostream.com/content/mqa-reviewed
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January 29, 2018, 11:19 PM #1327
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There are now 10000+ MQA albums on Tidal including duplicates, based on the MQA_List.csv from meridianplugged forum.
According to Roon forum, "removing Duplicates, Singles & EPs there are 7,392 Albums in the list."Peter Lie
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February 3, 2018, 03:46 PM #1328
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MUSINGS/MEASUREMENTS: On "blurring" and why MQA probably worsens transient smearing.
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2018/02...d-why.html?m=1
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February 14, 2018, 01:46 AM #1329
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February 14, 2018, 11:49 AM #1330
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I read this the other day, and wondered then how anyone could possibly think MQA is a good thing for the music lover who cares about good sound. Perhaps coincidentally, there is a similar opinion expressed here
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazin..._Res_Audio.htmRob
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February 14, 2018, 11:55 AM #1331Jim
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February 14, 2018, 01:14 PM #1332
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Some ridiculous claims made as well.
1) People that don't like MQA because it's lossy with possible future DRM implications are biased and that's why they don't like the sound of MQA. He then proceeded to say that MQA for a fact is at least as good as the source lossless master.
2) Persons with large music collections most likely used questionable means to get their content.
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February 14, 2018, 01:18 PM #1333
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February 14, 2018, 01:31 PM #1335
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Because a $99 DAC is still a $99 DAC. When someone puts that on a $50,000 system, it will suck. The issue is they compare the MQA version on a $99 DAC to the PCM version on a $10,000 DAC. It’s like trying to win a race with three tires missing.
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February 14, 2018, 04:09 PM #1337
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February 14, 2018, 04:59 PM #1338
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February 14, 2018, 05:18 PM #1339
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But how MQA sounds is almost irrelevant to whether or not MQA is a "good thing". It's proprietary, it will limit our format choices (if MQA has its way, fortunately not yet a done deal), it prevents users from using DSP without additional A>D and D>A steps, and in the long run it will cost us more money.
If MQA's filtering actually results in consistent sonic improvement, I have no doubt that that can be incorporated into A>D and D>A of lossless hi-res PCM (and quite possibly even better sound quality).
Why these (to me) obvious issues with MQA continue to be essentially ignored by its proponents continues to baffle me.Rob
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February 14, 2018, 05:22 PM #1340
Re: MQA Discussion
Jim
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February 14, 2018, 06:01 PM #1341
Re: MQA Discussion
For me, it’s more about the music and having access to it. Although MQA sounds better than MP3, I don’t see a significant difference if a piece of music is only offered in MP3 compared to only offered in MQA, except that MP3 is open source, and may be cheaper as well.
Another analogy might be a “limited edition” LP being the only way some music is released.Rob
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February 14, 2018, 06:08 PM #1342
Re: MQA Discussion
Jim
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February 14, 2018, 07:27 PM #1343
Re: MQA Discussion
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February 14, 2018, 09:09 PM #1344
Re: MQA Discussion
For intelligent people, there seems to be an astonishing myopia here. We've already been through this, and now (at last?) Stereophile is willing to admit it too. Once MQA, always MQA, and that's pretty much that. No more improvements in digital audio outside of that format. DSD? sorry, toast, no way an MQA signatory record company will bother. Better PCM? Sorry guys, the MQA filter algorithms are what we are using, now and forever.
Nothing in what the MQA principalls have said denies the truth of each of those statements, in fact in some instances they brag about it. I personally think there are plenty of existing digital designers and engineers more talented than those at MQA, and many of them have expressed their dissatisfaction. Kind of lonely voices in the wilderness, though, without the funding and logistical backing of the Big Three music companies.Rob
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February 14, 2018, 10:17 PM #1345
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Re: MQA Discussion
Here’s a recent post made by Danny from Roon to support what Rob just said.
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/is-...0/336?u=drtone
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February 14, 2018, 11:08 PM #1347
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+1 on this Rob.
This has been a huge question for me. Why go lossy, especially with massive hard drive sizes, faster Internet connections and better cellular provider's networks? There are two markets MQA claims to be targeting.
1. The mobile market - which seems to be vaporware -- what mobile devices have a hardware DAC in them that can do MQA and is it really going to sound that much better than streamed music since the DAC quality is going to be very cheap? Let's not even get into the dearth of MQA streaming providers for mobile devices.
2. The audiophile market. MQA has been entirely marketing and making their case to the audiophile community. Look at all the effort put into the big audiophile shows (Munich, RMAF, etc.) and into the $3,500 plus DAC segment (in reality it's more like $10K+).
So what happened to this whole raison d'etre that we need MQA because it has smaller file sizes thus streams easier, and sounds better? The only thing that's left is "sounds better". So why not take that and put it into a full lossless FLAC file and forget about the lossy part? They have been doing a lot of research on how to market MQA over the last year. Recall the whole discussion about if you had a FLAC file that was also MQA encoded that it would have the original lossless file AND the MQA unfolding in it? All that means is that at a bare minimum, the file is going to be slightly larger than the original file size. So again, out the window goes this smaller file claim unless you're only streaming.
I will admit that MQA can sound pretty good at times. But that's not always the case. My preference is still for DSD.
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February 14, 2018, 11:24 PM #1349
Re: MQA Discussion
Does it if you have a fully capable MQA DAC?
Rob
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February 14, 2018, 11:37 PM #1350
Re: MQA Discussion
No such thing. If you're running Tidal on an app (via an iPhone/iPad/Galaxy/Android device), then you can't exactly plug in a USB DAC. The driver's won't work that way. So you're back to running Tidal on a PC that can support USB 2.0 devices. (maybe raspberry pi's, but I don't think there's a Tidal app for that, I don't know for sure...even then it would be a nightmare to setup.)
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