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    Having fun...A Generational Look...

    How true is this. Wow.



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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Pretty sobering Mike
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    I concur with Joe's response. I think most kids just do not know how to play outside anymore.
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Some days I feel bad because I haven't bought my kids a Playstation XBox thingy. They rarely watch TV and have no clue what's the latest and greatest movie. Their only computer time is at school or what's required at home for homework.

    Then I see something like this and I know I'm doing the right thing.
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    I can't believe how things are changing. Every time I look at the monthly bills we didn't have when we first were married. (DirecTv $150, Internet $78, and Mobile Phones $150) I don't know how "most" young people are getting by now. No wonder so many live at home.
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    Mike.......Your efforts are commendable. When I see kids glued to cellphones and tablets I credit the parents for that behavior. The children did not purchase those iPads or cellphones. I suspect the parent's behavior is very similar. The devices become babysitters. Children are nurtured and raised by adults or they are fed and ignored by adults. Many parents allow school systems and school boards to subjugate their own authority over their children's lives. There is as much indoctrination as actual education taking place in schools today including colleges and universities. It's a whole different world we are dealing with today and I don't view it as positive.
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Wow, great video, Mike, thx for sharing!

    For years we eschewed all that electronic stuff for our kids - limited TV watching, no video games for quite a while. Even sent them to a school that shared the same beliefs. Then we succumbed to the modern age and now are kids are just like the kids in the video.

    You're doing the right thing limiting that exposure to your kids (IMO). Keep it up for as long as you can.


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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Eye opening and explains a lot. It's no wonder my wife and I don't have children.....they would truly hate us.
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    That is real sad. Every parent should watch that.
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Please. Every generation laments the "Good old days". The world is changing, and as we get older it only gets strange to us. Kids don't see it as strange….It is simply the time they live in, and some day they'll yearn for yesteryear also. Just imagine! My problem with technology is when it is used in a manner that is rude. I think balance is the key to most everything and raising a balanced child requires effort, but it always did.

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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Some days I feel bad because I haven't bought my kids a Playstation XBox thingy. They rarely watch TV and have no clue what's the latest and greatest movie. Their only computer time is at school or what's required at home for homework.

    Then I see something like this and I know I'm doing the right thing.
    But they do have good stereos at home to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    But they do have good stereos at home to use.
    They love music, so all is good!
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Kids today don't have a clue. Between computer type devices and TV kids are missing out on life. Shame.
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Mike, that was a great video, completely true.

    Here's another one that hits home.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7dLU6fk9QY
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceLet View Post
    Please. Every generation laments the "Good old days". The world is changing, and as we get older it only gets strange to us. Kids don't see it as strange….It is simply the time they live in, and some day they'll yearn for yesteryear also. Just imagine! My problem with technology is when it is used in a manner that is rude. I think balance is the key to most everything and raising a balanced child requires effort, but it always did. . . .

    I agree that every generation has its unique characteristics, but my generation, my father's generation and to an extent my grandfather's generation had similar passtimes, accessibility to cars, radios and televisions were the main differences, but they did not monopolize people's lives like video games, computers and phones monopolize our children's lives today.
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    Re: Having fun...A Generational Look...

    Its about balance, the message in the video makes today's kids preoccupations seem 'dirty'. when they interview the kids notice how the music turns somber like someone died.

    ill be the sole dissenting voice...my 9 and 6 yr old are not too different from the kids in the video. I can confidently say they're both way more advanced academically than I or my spouse were at the same age. reading comprehension, spelling, math and critical thinking skils, etc etc are far beyond where we were in our day (both generations are products of public schools). i directly attribute it to modern technology (tablets, PCs, gaming and the like).

    i resent comments likening computers to baby sitting and lazy parenting. lazy parenting is not preparing them for their future (academics being one). apparently this is a common problem with so many american kids failing standardized testing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    Its about balance, the message in the video makes today's kids preoccupations seem 'dirty'. when they interview the kids notice how the music turns somber like someone died.

    ill be the sole dissenting voice...my 9 and 6 yr old are not too different from the kids in the video. I can confidently say they're both way more advanced academically than I or my spouse were at the same age. reading comprehension, spelling, math and critical thinking skils, etc etc are far beyond where we were in our day (both generations are products of public schools). i directly attribute it to modern technology (tablets, PCs, gaming and the like).

    i resent comments likening computers to baby sitting and lazy parenting. lazy parenting is not preparing them for their future (academics being one). apparently this is a common problem with so many american kids failing standardized testing.
    You are not the sole dissenter here by any means. I get the point of the video and I thank Mike for posting it. It is thought provoking.

    But….I see great young people everywhere and I think the kind of negativity towards young people, expressed by some in this thread, is just bitterness and close-mindeded.

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    I can't stand it when people sit at the dinner table at home or a restaurant with their phone on the table. They wait for it to ring with a call or a text and pick it up every time it rings. I hate my cell phone and never sent a text in my life. I keep the phone off and when I'm good a ready, I'll listen to messages and reply to whatever I think is important. I just don't have the time or desire to be a slave to the phone or to the crap people think is important enough for me to interrupt my life. People know not to text me--they won't get a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaryProtein View Post
    I agree that every generation has its unique characteristics, but my generation, my father's generation and to an extent my grandfather's generation had similar passtimes, accessibility to cars, radios and televisions were the main differences, but they did not monopolize people's lives like video games, computers and phones monopolize our children's lives today.
    I disagree about those things not monopolizing people's lives. I know many people who are 100% obsessed with things like Golf, fishing and hunting at a great cost to their families and family lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceLet View Post
    You are not the sole dissenter here by any means. I get the point of the video and I thank Mike for posting it. It is thought provoking.

    But….I see great young people everywhere and I think the kind of negativity towards young people, expressed by some in this thread, is just bitterness and close-mindeded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
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    I can't believe how things are changing. Every time I look at the monthly bills we didn't have when we first were married. (DirecTv $150, Internet $78, and Mobile Phones $150) I don't know how "most" young people are getting by now. No wonder so many live at home.
    I recently saw a survey that said 63% of parents are still paying for their adult children, at home or even when they have moved out. The 3 things you listed were on the list.

    As per Playing as a kid. Times have changed but their still needs to be a balance of Technology and Reality. I recently found an old notebook my mom saved forever. It included the Rules for a Sports Club we created when about 7 or 8. It also had a Play I wrote, that myself and friends performed for all the parents. We also used to do Variety Shows for the moms on Mothers day and such, I did Magic.

    My phone is a first generation Motorola Razer flip phone, no Text, no DAta....call if you need to talk. I still use OTA for TV so no Cable bill. I work in a pretty techy field but when I go home, I disconnect from the grid as much as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double-D View Post
    Many parents allow school systems and school boards to subjugate their own authority over their children's lives. There is as much indoctrination as actual education taking place in schools today including colleges and universities. It's a whole different world we are dealing with today and I don't view it as positive.
    IMO….Sheer and utter nonsense.

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    Ever heard of common core? The crap they are teaching kids today?
    That's sheer and utter nonsense.

    Why are they teaching common core?
    Lobbyists wanted it.

    Who created common core?
    Business

    Why did business create common core?
    Because they charge the school boards and state for every practice test and every test every single child in the state takes.

    Education was the final frontier for businesses to infiltrate and they did.

    I'm very pro-business, but not when it comes to education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Ever heard of common core? The crap they are teaching kids today?
    That's sheer and utter nonsense.

    Why are they teaching common core?
    Lobbyists wanted it.

    Who created common core?
    Business

    Why did business create common core?
    Because they charge the school boards and state for every practice test and every test every single child in the state takes.

    Education was the final frontier for businesses to infiltrate and they did.

    I'm very pro-business, but not when it comes to education.

    http://youtu.be/g2QGiGqz-xs
    Mike, I don't think Common Core is the same argument as…."There is as much indoctrination as actual education taking place in schools today including colleges and universities…..

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    Interesting videos, thanks for posting. As a high school teacher I can see some of this as well in not only my students but some of the younger staff as well. A lot of them are addicted to cell phones and are on it whenever they get a free moment.

    I tried to ban cell phones in my classroom but admin told me I couldn't as the parents would complain that they couldn't contact the kids in an emergency. I argued that they could call the office but I only got a blank stare in return. During recess on nice days the kids are sitting on the floor in the hallway staring at their phone. Even the staff are fixated on their phones, often sending texts to each other while sitting beside each other in the staffroom.

    Students also have trouble making it to class on time, some being late for every class each day. A lot of this is due to no consequences for being late so that is the schools fault. Some staff that live close to the school are also late every morning (there is a sign in sheet). I live 35 miles away and I am at work a half hour early every day.

    The reliance on technology has made a mentally lazy generation of students from what I see as a high school math and science teacher. Most high school students don't know the times 10 table or can do math with fractions. Some can't write a complete sentence and reading comprehension has been tested to be several grades below grade level. And when I hand write instead of print notes on the board some students can't read it because they don't know cursive writing.

    And keep those darn kids off my grass! Rant ended.
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    Albert, everything you say is true.

    I am a clinical attending and teach one day a week in a post-doctoral residency program, and the residents are so connected to their phones it's ridiculous. If I didn't make a rule for my seminars that phones get piled on a table in the corner of the room or away in their briefcase, they would be on them during lectures. It's bad enough that while they are note-taking on their computers (nobody hand writes notes any more) they can get most of what's on their phones off the WiFi, and nobody in the front of the room can see.

    Most (I didn't say all) children today suck. I'm sorry, but it's true. They have no responsibility and that doesn't change for most of them once they hit the workplace. Most parents have FAILED their children. Schools give ribbons and trophies for fifth, even TENTH place. Everybody is a winner. Parents can't stand when their kids lose, but they don't blame themselves or their children, they find a scapegoat.

    These videos wouldn't be funny if they weren't so true:

    Child worship

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    Don't even get me started on common core. My daughter is a teacher and what she tells me that is going on in education is just asinine. The math is positively ridiculous.

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    My brother in law and his buddies do something that I believe has merit....

    He and his motorcycle buds get together weekly to ride, stop off at different places and get a bite to eat together. He grew tired of all the damn cell phones going off and distractions of texting, answering the phone, etc. The proposal was made that when they arrive at the restaurant, all cell phones get placed in a pile in the center of the table. The first person to answer or pickup a phone during the meal pays for the entire sitting.

    He said they only had to enforce the pile-o-phones a few times before everyone got the message and now they respect the group and don't dick with their phones at the table any more.

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    Back to the OP topic. Bruce and Rob, nobody is saying today's youth are dumb or without skills. However, the original video posted is "what do you do for fun?". The fact that most youth of today finds their best fun sitting indoors playing with tech is just sad and I don't think that can be argued. And skills?....flexible thumbs, quick reaction times for shoot em ups, and chopped up grammar during texting isn't something that I believe should be touted. Maybe the reason the youth of today are sitting in front of the TV or iPad or smartphone is simply because mom and dad are doing the same. Monkey see, monkey do.
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    Very, very cool and eye-opening video, Mike.

    I've noticed this trend over here too. Even though I don't have kids, my nephews are heavily into phones, tablets, video games and such. It's quite annoying to be with family, and the kid is there in the corner, watching some crappy Youtube video of another kid playing video games... It's definitely something I'll never understand...

    That said, I also don't think the luddite thing is the right way. Mobiles are good, text message is good. They're tools. It's how (and how much) you use them that can turn into a problem.

    The last part of the video mentioned one thing that's very true: that it's innate to kids to want to play outside, with nature. If, for any reason, we take that from them, and force them to stay indoors, with tablets, computers and phones around the house, what other outcome would be expected? In violent areas/countries, it's all the worst, because parents simply have no recourse. They either leave the kids indoors, or they risk putting their lives at risk...

    As I said, technology are the tools. They can be used for good, like introducing them to reading books. Just load a bunch of classic books on their iPad, and see if they pick that up, in between texts

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    Threads like this, and thinking about how quickly our children are being 'engineered' in grossly negative ways makes me very very sad. I just don't see much hope moving forward. It's hard to imagine any reality 20 years down the road but far more people indoctrinated into only wanting to leech off the Govt teet, and the number of 'exceptional' individuals dwindling.

    I'm not a History Professor, but I do try and read what I can. The parallels between our society and great societies of the past during their dying phases are impossible to ignore.

    I want to be optimistic, I have a 12 year old daughter and want her to enjoy prosperity and freedom, but it's near impossible to see how we're heading on a path of making that reality for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Ever heard of common core? The crap they are teaching kids today?
    That's sheer and utter nonsense.

    Why are they teaching common core?
    Lobbyists wanted it.

    Who created common core?
    Business

    Why did business create common core?
    Because they charge the school boards and state for every practice test and every test every single child in the state takes.

    Education was the final frontier for businesses to infiltrate and they did.

    I'm very pro-business, but not when it comes to education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceLet View Post
    I disagree about those things not monopolizing people's lives. I know many people who are 100% obsessed with things like Golf, fishing and hunting at a great cost to their families and family lives.
    Bruce I agree, my wife had to get me to stop spending so much time fishing and playing golf it was a obsession not to mention costly, But! the major difference is the things you noted, golf, fishing and hunting and what Gary noted, cars remain outside of the home. My hobbies are cars, golf, fishing, kayak fishing remain outside. Those hobbies are not at the dinner table or at a restaurant in the form of a ipad or cellphone.

    Have you been to a movie theater lately when the cell phones are lit up like Christmas trees with people texting and talking, i see why Netflix type services are 'cool'.

    We had a Thanksgiving dinner 3 years ago, with family and friends and their children and it appears everyone under 30 is either playing some game on their phones or texting. It's an obsession of sorts not to miss out on anything. So my generation which are the baby boomers at our last holiday dinner we asked everyone including adults to put their cell phones and tablets in a box. It was the only way to enjoy a complete holiday dinner with family and friends. Watching the young ones well, it was like they were fighting some "drug withdrawal" for the first hour but after a few hours with family games or just setting around talking thereby getting them involved has turned these holidays into a holiday ritual since. And now the young ones are taking charge, with games, family stories.

    But I do agree when we were kids we loved TV, addicted to the shows, but our parents would just walk over and tell us go outside and play and of course we did. We had things like basketball, football, baseball, playing catch, building forts, riding our bikes etc.. The kids today are so mobile and computer literate, which is not a bad thing all, its the way of the future. My girls 28 and 34 both held a 3.5-4.2 throughout high school and college ( both hold professional jobs) still love their tablets and smartphones and they also note that when they were kids and went to the movies you could actually enjoy the movie without phones ringing and people texting. How times have changed as they grow up.

    The education in schools today, well our generation and those before us always had their way of teaching children in your school district or following some state program, like this one. "The curlicue letters of cursive handwriting, once considered a mainstay of American elementary education, have been slowly disappearing from classrooms for years. Now, with most states adopting new national standards that don’t require such instruction, cursive could soon be eliminated from most public schools." In a lot of schools they has phased out music and arts programs and even PE citing its takes the kids away from preparing for college and "test".

    It is amazing how generations have evolved.
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    I once made a post that stated audiophiles are like heroin addicts since we, or at least me, can sit comatose for hours (with a music server), just lost in the music. Granted, it isn't all day, but it isn't much different than staring at your phone. The funny part is it must have hit a sore spot because some guy got all spun up at the simile.
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    @Albert, most young teachers these days couldn't spell theirs ,theres, or they're in the right pretext let alone their eleven times table.

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    Sad but true. I don't know how many times I've been told by teachers that they could never teach math or science, it is so hard. Yet they have to teach these subjects in their class. No wonder by the time I get to see them they are so far behind.
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    Wow….All of a sudden, people are dumb. I miss the good old days when students were respectful and smart and teachers were great.

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    Actually students were more respectful when I went to school. I don't remember ever hearing a student swear at a teacher or spitting at them. Or punching a teacher in the throat. All of these things happened to me as well as other teachers and staff members. When I went to my principal about these students I was asked what did I do to cause this and did I have witnesses to prove that it happened. I don't bother going to the office anymore.

    One maintenance member was slapped in the back of the head by a student walking by. He slammed the student against a locker and was going to punch him in the face but he stopped himself in time. He was gone for six months but was hired back. The student was suspended for the rest of the year.

    As for the teachers being better, it seemed like it but it is difficult to tell as I liked school. My math and science teachers were good as they encouraged me to teach myself calculus and I went on to get my Masters in Physics. Not all of them were great as one year the Phys.Ed. teacher had to teach grade 11 algebra and we weren't allowed to ask any questions. It was obvious that he was just trying to stay a few pages ahead of us but he managed to get through it.

    There are respectful and smart students as well, the majority in fact. But it is definitely not like it was when I started teaching 20 years ago.
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    I remember my parents and grandparents being all freaked out about us kids in the 1960's and 70's. We were all doomed for lack of values and sense. I for one spent a lot of time watching Gilligan's Island and enjoying the hippy culture. I grew up and prospered. I have also raised three kids who grew up on technology (including lots of mind expanding video games), went on to major Universities and are doing fine. My point is times change and people evolve and adapt. I see a lot positives in technology for future generations. It all come down to the personal values of the parents and how they are passed down.

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    Screen addiction has existed for 50 years. In the device age, it is prevalent than ever. The digital revolution will begin to permeate physical reality in the next decade.

    Our facet of life will continue to be augmented by our digital dependencies. That is the world we live in at this time and age.

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    I went to a Chickies and Petes last night for a Burger and Beer. The girl dropped off 2 plates with 2 forks, no knife. When we ordered, the girl could not tell my wife the difference between Medium and Medium Well. I had to go to the Hostess to ask for a Knife since the waitress never came back. This Is the NEW NORM for today's teens and twenty somethings. The extent of their world knowledge is Texting Shorthand and Selfies. Most, not all, cannot speak in full sentences or answer a question with a coherent and complete answer.

    As far as cell phones go, adults are just as bad as the kids. The last wedding I went to was in my wife's family. They always sit us with her cousins. One couple spent the whole of 4 hours texting with their kids and themselves while sitting next to each other so nobody at the table would hear them talking and giggling about each other. This couple was in their 50s.

    Where I work, there is always that handful that is staring at the phone all day instead of their computer or work related materials. Meetings are nothing but 20 some people not paying attention to the speaker, but playing with the phone.

    I am so happy to not be on the grid when outside of work like that. Until a simple phone without required data plans are available, I will not have a smartphone. If my Razor lasts 10 more years, I will remain just as happy. I got 5 new batteries for $15 so I am set.

    Back in the 70s when I went to school, I chose to go to a Trade School and not my regular area High School. I walked a mile, took a bus, then an elevated train, then walked another half mile into one of the lousiest neighborhoods in Philly. I could not tell people where I lived because I would get my ass kicked for just being a Pussy From the Northeast. (we had trees and grass and clean neighborhoods) The school was full of Single Parent families of drunks, drug addicts, gang bangers and whatever. Luckily the Blacks and Puerto Ricans hated each other more than they hated whites and fought amongst each other.

    We had one ahole that dropped a Quaalude in the teachers coffee when he was not in the room. Another time he packed the teachers pipe with a good bud. The teacher put his cherry tobacco in and started puffing away. (teachers could smoke in the schools back then) Halfway thru, he hit the bud and caught an instant buzz. Another kid would put glue all over the teachers phone so when he answered it his face got covered with glue.

    The teachers were threatened regularly, verbally mostly but I also saw physical, so it's nothing new going on, it seems to just be happening in places not expected.

    The thing I am scared the most of right now, is Health Care. After dealing with my late Father in Law in a Skilled Nursing Home for 2 years, I am totally freaked out as to the kind of care I will get in 20-30 years when I am that age and need help. It is utterly pathetic what passes as a Nurse these days, let alone all these so called Doctors who got their credentials in some 3rd world country and then show up here for the quick and easy almighty dollars.

    The last time I had surgery 2 years ago, the young Bimbo Nurse put the IV needle straight thru my vein and started to push the meds. I first asked why I was getting a lump on my arm and was told "don't worry about it, it's nothing. By the time it got to be half the size of a baseball, I was pretty worried. Since no nurse even came back to check on me for 20 minutes, my wife went looking for help. The Bimbo made every excuse, never once apologized or took responsibility for screwing up. Another nurse figured out what happened.

    The first stick was in my forearm but she failed to get a good hit. For the record, they are supposed to do Hand first and if no good veins, move up to forearm. Since she screwed up in my forearm and had to redo it a second time in my hand, she hit the same one she was trying for in my forearm. So what happened is she actually put a hole in the vein in the forearm, and when getting a good stick in the hand, it was the same vein and all the fluids and meds went into the back of my hand, and right out the hole in the vein in my arm. They were not even going to note this in the records until after my wife, who is a 35 year Respiratory Therapist, insisted it me noted.

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    Wow, that makes me glad I work where I do. At least I get along with most of my students, even though they are slackers for the most part. They like that I am into old cars and have a lot of pets. And they like when I play old youtube videos during class or play the guitar with them (we have a half a dozen acoustic guitars and few electric guitars).

    They are good kids for the most part but I don't think they are very prepared for life after high school. But I try. After all, somebody has to support me when I retire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert View Post
    Wow, that makes me glad I work where I do. At least I get along with most of my students, even though they are slackers for the most part. They like that I am into old cars and have a lot of pets. And they like when I play old youtube videos during class or play the guitar with them (we have a half a dozen acoustic guitars and few electric guitars).

    They are good kids for the most part but I don't think they are very prepared for life after high school. But I try. After all, somebody has to support me when I retire.

    My father always joked (really, it was the family joke) about my brothers and I being the "prodigal sons". He paid 100% of our educational expenses through professional school, PhD programs and specialty training. He frequently said to my brothers and myself, "you are my annuity". That never came to pass because he worked until the weekend before he died and loved every minute of it. After he turned 70, it was my mother who made him shorten his workday to 9 to 3 instead of 8 to 5 which he had done all his professional life. She told him it was time for him to practice as a hobby because he didn't need the money. Retirement was not in his vocabulary. I don't plan on retiring either as long as I can do what I do with my present level of skill.


    Regarding today's students being slackers, I think the percentage of slackers has remained constant through the years, but their expression has changed slightly. I teach in a very competitive program, so the people aren't stupid, but to see them always looking at their phones you might think otherwise.
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    I'm a part of the young generation that people are referring to. I think that I played my first video game when I was 6 years old, and video games has been a huge part of my life ever since. Everything is getting digitized. I do not think it's necessarily a bad thing. People tends to blame media and the digital world for every issue there is : School shootings, pornography etc etc. I think blaming stuff like video games, social media, etc is WRONG. Is the bullied kid really bullied due to social media? Is the school shooter really shooting other students due to video games?

    People need to remember that school shootings happened also before video games, and there is a fair chance that you at some point also bullied your fellow student, before the internet was a reality. People needs to stop finding excuses for something to blame, to make sense of things.

    The globalization and the raise of the social media has done great things:

    You can now instantly write to people, who are at the other side of earth. You can learn religious and cultural differences, without traveling across the world.

    It's a very informative era, which has its goods and bads.

    When I'm reading some of the previous comments, it feels like people are so afraid of change. Why not embrace the "new" world with open arms? How important is it really, that a teenager can do mental arithmetics when he has a calculator on his phone?

    My personal experiences tells me that maybe it's wrong to say to your kid "Go out and play". He might reply "With who?". Most of his friends properly plays video games together online. Another thing could be, is that the kid doesn't have many friends IRL (In real life), but has 5 friends online he enjoys spending time with. Friendship is a strange thing. You don't have to meet your friend in real life, in order to be friends IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceLet View Post
    I disagree about those things not monopolizing people's lives. I know many people who are 100% obsessed with things like Golf, fishing and hunting at a great cost to their families and family lives.
    Have even heard about people obsessing about their stereo, and they're not even kids anymore...Having fun...A Generational Look....

    But rather than shielding kids from the gadgets it is important to teach them how to turn them off once in a while. That becomes also much easier if there is some social program or sports to fill the gap.

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    It's a double edged sword with the education system. To think that kids today need to have iPads and laptops to access the various school programs and interactive websites is good and bad. It's good that they have access to way more information, training and tools. It's bad that we are creating a generation of iKids. If a laptop/iPad wasn't required by the school for our kids, they wouldn't have them. I struggle with this because my wife and I worked so hard for years to keep them away from burying their faces in a computer which ultimately leads to no good - games, predatory websites, advertising, etc.


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    I agree this is a difficult topic and there is no one correct answer. Everyone has to define the best way for themselves, also every kid is different and will deal in its own way with the tech.

    There are also different ways to keep the adolescents out of harms way, for sure one is to keep them away from the tech long enough until they understand. But one day they will have access and should be prepared.

    Another tac is to educate them early on and make them aware of the negatives. That will however require monitoring, as it will take time until they are able to roam on their own.


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