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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    Quote Originally Posted by hifinutt View Post
    ... however at that level audio ref 6 is the same price and that's one heck of a pre amp
    Would love to hear your impressions on DM vs. Ref 6
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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    some pics of the proemio with the verity speakers



    modwright 36.5dm . msb s200 . Marantz sa8005, bel canto 3.5 vbs , bel canto fm1 tuner . verity audio Rienzi speakers

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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    Quote Originally Posted by Golum View Post
    Would love to hear your impressions on DM vs. Ref 6
    never heard the ref 6 but I had ref 5 and ref 5se . the 5se is most certainly better for realism and sense of presence but it costs more than the dm
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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophon View Post
    Love the Berlinas with the Demones. That's a combination I would like to hear.

    What's you initial impression...


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    Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    If you come to Italy, I'll be happy to host you!

    The first thing I noticed is that the Demone have the same sonic signature as the Domino preamp: the sound is incredibly natural and transparent. Instruments and voices are much (!) better delineated in space. Around them there is much more air, probably due to the very low noise floor. I very much felt the sense of being there...

    Another point I noticed is that I was relaxing too much with my previous Pass ;-) - the sound was very relaxt with a rounded top-end. The Demone are more open at the top-end, more detailed. This is a much better fit with the diamond tweeters of the Berlina which are not "hot" like the diamond tweeters of many of the B&W 800D3 series. For me it feels like more than the 5 points difference that the German Audio magazin assigned to both power-amps.

    Last year during the Munich fair, I talked to Gauder about the right amplification choice for his speakers (unfortunately I don't like at all the AVM - Gauder combination, Vitus is a much better match to my ears, no doubt!), I asked if he knew Grandinote. He told me that some months ago Johannes Maier (a reviewer of the Audio Magazin specialised in amplification) called him up and told him to come and listen to some unknown power amps they had currently under review, partially with the Berlina RC 7 MkII (that they were reviewing too in the same period). The reviewer and Gauder were both very much impressed by the Grandinote.


    Inviato dal mio iPad utilizzando Tapatalk
    Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond
    Power-Amp: Grandinote Demone
    Pre-Amp: Grandinote Domino
    Digital: DCS Puccini with Puccini Clock; Apple MacBook Pro running Pure Music and JRiver; Synology NAS
    Cables: Wireworld Gold Eclipse 7 Speaker cable and Platinum Eclipse 7 XLR cables; Digital cables (all Oyaide): USB Continental 5S; DR-510 and DB-510
    Power: PS Audio Juicebar II and Premier Power Plant; cables: Fisch Audio P7 (for digital) and P0
    Rack: Bassocontinuo Reference Line Accordeon

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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    so , having tried the grandinote proemio pre with my msb s200 and finding it rather good . . I had the shinai here for a week . another audiophile has said : "The bass end with the Grandinote is powerful and detailed but not overbearing. Note delineation is superb and the timbre is excellent. Instruments in the bass region are fleshed out and full sounding and have realistic impact. There is, for want of a better word texture to the low end.

    The midrange is simply gorgeous, vocals both male and female are rendered realistically. There is a warmth to the midrange but not at the expense of detail, subtle breathing and vocal inflections are easily heard and sound very natural. Instruments in this range are also beautifully reproduced especially brass which has realistic sheen and force but never produces the shrill sound that other amplifiers can. This is sound that never goes through you or makes you jump for the volume control.

    The Grandinote also made the slightly incisive treble quality mentioned earlier a thing of the past. Delightfully detailed and natural on the treble range but performing that clever trick of smoothness with no lack of detail or impact. Cymbals are reproduced with just the right amount of fizz when required and fully revealed decay.

    The retrieval of recorded detail is exceptional but it isn't forced or false, the music simply unfolds into the room very naturally. "

    most certainly applies .

    just right now I do think the proemio/msb combo is better but then that costs around 24k and the shinai around 9.7k
    modwright 36.5dm . msb s200 . Marantz sa8005, bel canto 3.5 vbs , bel canto fm1 tuner . verity audio Rienzi speakers

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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    Thank you hifinutt for your impressions! If we consider that the cost of the Proemio alone is just 2k below the price of the Shinai, it's a pretty good result for the Shinai - and you can keep your MBS ;-)


    Inviato dal mio iPad utilizzando Tapatalk
    Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond
    Power-Amp: Grandinote Demone
    Pre-Amp: Grandinote Domino
    Digital: DCS Puccini with Puccini Clock; Apple MacBook Pro running Pure Music and JRiver; Synology NAS
    Cables: Wireworld Gold Eclipse 7 Speaker cable and Platinum Eclipse 7 XLR cables; Digital cables (all Oyaide): USB Continental 5S; DR-510 and DB-510
    Power: PS Audio Juicebar II and Premier Power Plant; cables: Fisch Audio P7 (for digital) and P0
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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    yes i could happily live with the shinai ! but its great to play with pre and power to experiment
    modwright 36.5dm . msb s200 . Marantz sa8005, bel canto 3.5 vbs , bel canto fm1 tuner . verity audio Rienzi speakers

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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    Martin,

    I missed this thread as I was travelling for the past two weeks.
    Impressive to know that these amps outclass the Pass mono-blocks. Subscribed!

    You also have a great system. Do you now have the new crossover upgrade that you were talking about?

    Regards.

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    Re: Ugly but beautiful sounds....Grandinote Audio from Italy

    Hi Nikhil, I hope you had a safe trip home!

    Yes, really incredible that - for my ears - the Grandinote are that superior to my Pass. Sunday I met a reviewer for the German online HiFi Magazin Hifistatement. He also had in his private system Pass amplifiers that he swapped against Grandinote.

    The German print magazin Audio, are ranking the Grandinote higher than the 100.5 and the 100.8!

    So I guess I'm not the only one. ;-)


    Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk
    Speaker: Gauder Akustik Berlina RC7 Diamond
    Power-Amp: Grandinote Demone
    Pre-Amp: Grandinote Domino
    Digital: DCS Puccini with Puccini Clock; Apple MacBook Pro running Pure Music and JRiver; Synology NAS
    Cables: Wireworld Gold Eclipse 7 Speaker cable and Platinum Eclipse 7 XLR cables; Digital cables (all Oyaide): USB Continental 5S; DR-510 and DB-510
    Power: PS Audio Juicebar II and Premier Power Plant; cables: Fisch Audio P7 (for digital) and P0
    Rack: Bassocontinuo Reference Line Accordeon

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