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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by nile49 View Post
    Does anyone here have any feedback or heard any feedback about using the the new spikes with Ultra SSs under speakers? In comparison to using regular Stillpoints with hardhats on carpet?
    Good question.

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    Here's something I discovered re: Stillpoints, that I found very curious, and others probably would as well. When I got my Stillpoints, I already had protective brass discs to put under them so as not to mar the furniture. As a whim, I auditioned these (whoever the manufacturer was who made them) with the Stillpoint versisons. Mind you they looked the same...same size, heft, dimple on them....yet....the Stillpoint version sounded appreciably better than the faux discs. ...interesting...

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    Just got them !!!!
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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Looks impressive
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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Put Stillpoint Ultra SS under my Evolution Acoustics MM3 speakers - 600lbs each!
    System never sounded better!
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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Stringreen View Post
    Here's something I discovered re: Stillpoints, that I found very curious, and others probably would as well. When I got my Stillpoints, I already had protective brass discs to put under them so as not to mar the furniture. As a whim, I auditioned these (whoever the manufacturer was who made them) with the Stillpoint versisons. Mind you they looked the same...same size, heft, dimple on them....yet....the Stillpoint version sounded appreciably better than the faux discs. ...interesting...
    I would attribute this to the materials difference, brass .vs. stainless steel. We listened to a lot of different materials and kept coming back to the stainless for its tonal neutrality and speed. Other materials imparted different signatures, usually perceived as slower and less transparent. The same applies to our acrylic shelf .vs. the Grid shelf on our ESS racks. The acrylic sounds slower and laid back in a not-good way.

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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Anyone using Stillpoints under a Lumin? If so, which model? SS or Mini?

    Was there an improvement? (Not that the Lumin needs much improvement )If so, in what way?

    Thx!
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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Anyone using Stillpoints under a Lumin? If so, which model? SS or Mini?

    Was there an improvement? (Not that the Lumin needs much improvement )If so, in what way?

    Thx!
    Hi Ritmo, Loop4fun has them under his Lumin I believe. It was the first place he tried them and was pretty much sold. I think he started with Mini's but am not sure he upgraded to the Ultra SS' although I know he recently orderednd received a new set of SS. I'm sure he'll chime in about his experiences. Olskool
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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Hi Larry! Great to hear from you. Hope to read Bill's experience soon. Take care!

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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo;122473[B
    ]Anyone using Stillpoints under a Lumin? If so, which model? SS or Mini?

    Was there an improvement?[/B] (Not that the Lumin needs much improvement )If so, in what way?

    Thx!
    In a word, YES

    Ultra SS under the A-1, Mini's under the PS & NAS. The torque provided by the Shunyata Sigma Digital PC to the PS necessitated the addition of extra weight (brick) to stabilize. This technique is often effective with light weight components and Stillpoints.

    The improvement is in all the categories others have well articulated elsewhere about Stillpoints, and Shunyata Sigma Digital PC's too.
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    SME 20/2 table with SME V arm, Stillpoints LPI
    Minus-K BM-8 passive vibration control under tt
    Dynavector XV-1s, Koeitsu Rosewood Signature cartridges, Klaudio RCM
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    3 dedicated AC lines
    Shunyata Omega PC to Everest for all source devices
    Typhon for each amp powered by 2 dedicated circuits
    Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout.
    Stillpoints under everything.

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    Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
    Sound Lab Ultimate-545PX Speakers
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    Stillpoints under everything. Multiple room acoustic panels.

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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Thx Tom!
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  13. #63

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    Are vibration dampeners recommended under the NAS? I'm using Lumin's L1. I have it located off the rack, so it's vibrations can't resonate with any other components.
    But is there a reason related to sound quality to dissipate the vibrations in the NAS itself? Thanks.
    Source: Taiko Audio Server, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Bakoon 13r Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker, Shunyata Sigma IC's Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment Vicoustic.

  14. #64

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    I just, this afternoon, started trying out the Stillpoint ultra minis under the Lumin. My first impression is that, while there is an increase in resolution, there also seems some loss of depth which makes the overall sound more thin. Not good. Maybe it's not a compliment to my system which uses Amphion studio monitors, which already give a very resolved, transparent sound. And maybe it would be a different story once I have the integrated bass extenders Amphion will release later this Summer.

    I'll listen more before I have to return. Maybe I'll try the ss ultras to see what they bring.
    Source: Taiko Audio Server, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Bakoon 13r Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker, Shunyata Sigma IC's Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment Vicoustic.

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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    I just, this afternoon, started trying out the Stillpoint ultra minis under the Lumin. My first impression is that, while there is an increase in resolution, there also seems some loss of depth which makes the overall sound more thin. Not good. Maybe it's not a compliment to my system which uses Amphion studio monitors, which already give a very resolved, transparent sound. And maybe it would be a different story once I have the integrated bass extenders Amphion will release later this Summer.

    I'll listen more before I have to return. Maybe I'll try the ss ultras to see what they bring.
    You should try them under the PSU. I have the A-1 istself on Ultra's, and the PSU on Mini's, with a brick on top for extra weight. I couldn't be more pleased with the results, although I have yet to try the Ultra 5's here.
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    Pass Labs XP-32 pre, Pass Labs XA60.8 Amps
    Pass Lab XP-27 phono stage
    SME 20/2 table with SME V arm, Stillpoints LPI
    Minus-K BM-8 passive vibration control under tt
    Dynavector XV-1s, Koeitsu Rosewood Signature cartridges, Klaudio RCM
    Roon Nucleus+ powered by Keces P-8 LPS
    Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
    3 dedicated AC lines
    Shunyata Omega PC to Everest for all source devices
    Typhon for each amp powered by 2 dedicated circuits
    Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout.
    Stillpoints under everything.

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    Ayre KX-R Twenty Preamp
    Pass Labs X-260.8 Monoblocks
    Esoteric K-03 SACD Player
    Roon Nucleus+powered by UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS
    Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
    Sound Lab Ultimate-545PX Speakers
    Shunyata Hydra 8, Typhon QR
    Various Shunyata Alpha & Sigma PC's throughout
    Stillpoints under everything. Multiple room acoustic panels.

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    After a lot more back and forth testing of Stillpoints, I've concluded they're not worth it to me. The sound difference, with ss Ultra's on Lumin S1 and mini's on PSU, is minor and I think I prefer the sound without them anyway. I sense a little more resolution with the points, but a subtle loss of "presence" and fullness. And the difference is subtle enough that, on a blind test, I guessed wrong 50% of the time!

    I wonder if the Lumin with it's heavy aluminum block casing is relatively imperious to vibration to begin with?

    I'm going to try some Symposium Svelt platforms on the Lumin, it's psu and the monitors. I am curious to see how isolation might effect these speakers. I'm betting they will sound better without as they are already on the bright and high resolving side.

    I think treating the room for reflections will end up being the most productive "tweak."
    Source: Taiko Audio Server, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Bakoon 13r Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker, Shunyata Sigma IC's Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment Vicoustic.

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    Wilco, looking forward to your findings. What's your floor type? Concrete? Wood? Subfloor wood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Wilco, looking forward to your findings. What's your floor type? Concrete? Wood? Subfloor wood?

    My floor is concrete.
    Source: Taiko Audio Server, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Bakoon 13r Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker, Shunyata Sigma IC's Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment Vicoustic.

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    And this is not to say its bad with points. With some music that's lower frequency dominant, it's somewhat better. Just not $3k better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    After a lot more back and forth testing of Stillpoints, I've concluded they're not worth it to me. The sound difference, with ss Ultra's on Lumin S1 and mini's on PSU, is minor and I think I prefer the sound without them anyway. I sense a little more resolution with the points, but a subtle loss of "presence" and fullness. And the difference is subtle enough that, on a blind test, I guessed wrong 50% of the time!

    I wonder if the Lumin with it's heavy aluminum block casing is relatively imperious to vibration to begin with?

    I'm going to try some Symposium Svelt platforms on the Lumin, it's psu and the monitors. I am curious to see how isolation might effect these speakers. I'm betting they will sound better without as they are already on the bright and high resolving side.

    I think treating the room for reflections will end up being the most productive "tweak."
    Trust your ears.

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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by Willco View Post
    After a lot more back and forth testing of Stillpoints, I've concluded they're not worth it to me. The sound difference, with ss Ultra's on Lumin S1 and mini's on PSU, is minor and I think I prefer the sound without them anyway. I sense a little more resolution with the points, but a subtle loss of "presence" and fullness. And the difference is subtle enough that, on a blind test, I guessed wrong 50% of the time.

    I wonder if the Lumin with it's heavy aluminum block casing is relatively imperious to vibration to begin with?

    I'm going to try some Symposium Svelt platforms on the Lumin, it's psu and the monitors. I am curious to see how isolation might effect these speakers. I'm betting they will sound better without as they are already on the bright and high resolving side.

    I think treating the room for reflections will end up being the most productive "tweak."
    Did you try them in both directions? If not try reversing them, also make sure the beveled bottom section is slightly unscrewed so there is a small gap between them (about the thickness of a business card)

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    Re: Stillpoints and System Foundation

    Quote Originally Posted by MRJAZZ View Post
    Did you try them in both directions? If not try reversing them, also make sure the beveled bottom section is slightly unscrewed so there is a small gap between them (about the thickness of a business card)

    CHEERS

    Turned them over-- I think I'll keep them there. With more back and forth, I think I like the more transparent sound with the isolation.
    When I get the bass extender for my monitors, I suspect the system with isolation will be more ideally balanced.
    Source: Taiko Audio Server, Cisco 2960 Switch, Gigafoil, Lampizator Pacific Dac. Amp: Bakoon 13r Speakers: AvantGarde Duo Mezzo XD, Cables: Alan Maher Designs Power, Duelund Speaker, Shunyata Sigma IC's Audioquest Diamond ethernet. Room Treatment Vicoustic.

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