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April 20, 2013, 03:44 PM #1
Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
Has anyone compared the Soulution 710 stereo amp to Constellation Centaur stereo amp? I realize one is rated at 120W vs. 250W,as well as price difference. Sound wise are they close or are they totally two different animals.
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April 20, 2013, 04:52 PM #2
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Completely different sound, night and day from each other.
But I believe the 7 Series may be updated soon, so the sound could be changing.
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April 21, 2013, 07:39 PM #3
So is one better than other?
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April 22, 2013, 07:52 AM #4
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I'm not sure subjective words like "better" are appropriate when comparing certain models (or brands) of high end gear. Would Joe say that his new Momentum is "better" than his darTZeel? Not to put words in his mouth, but I imagine they're both excellent products which are very different from each other. Like a Porsche vs a Mercedes sedan.
Constellation provides a warmer sound, although still with plenty of detail. Whether you prefer that to Soulution will depend on your tastes and, to some extent, speaker choice.
These are certainly two of the best manufacturers of solid state products that I've heard. Maybe the best, but I haven't heard everything out there. I love Soulution personally.
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April 22, 2013, 08:55 AM #5
Hi Jon
It's funny you mention Dartzeel vs Dagostino. I've been thinking about this dilemma and while I think the Dartzeel is a better amp overall, I may have to admit my Dagostino sounds a little better on my TADs - for my preference. I am not sure I'll make sense but here goes. The Dartzeel has more details without being harsh. The Dartzeel has an amazing ability to get out of the way and let everything through without changing it. Because of what I hear on my TADs, for my preference, the Dagostino ever so slightly rolls off the treble making the more unforgiving recordings more listenable. BUT, when the source it perfect or nearly there, OMG! The Dartzeel just does it for me. The D'Agostino has little more thicknes or fullness that works great on some music but not so well on other music. I'm learning you can't have it all. Yet!Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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April 22, 2013, 10:19 AM #6Michael
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April 22, 2013, 10:27 AM #7Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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April 22, 2013, 10:31 AM #8Michael
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April 22, 2013, 10:43 AM #9
Thanks Michael.
Based on Jon's description above and before I rudely () derailed this thread, I'd lean towards the Constellation gear.
I can't handle the truth.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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April 22, 2013, 12:08 PM #10
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Then I would definitely sell the Momentum gear and buy Constellation if I were you.
But that's me, I'm an aggressive gambler. Mr. Vegas.
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April 22, 2013, 12:20 PM #11Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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April 22, 2013, 12:24 PM #12Gryphon Essence stereo amp and preamp/dac Hurricane power cords
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April 22, 2013, 12:26 PM #13
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April 22, 2013, 12:53 PM #14
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Well, if Joe were Dewey Oxburger there would already be an ad for that Momentum gear on Mike's beautiful site.
Sadly, he is not Mr. Vegas. And the world seems poorer for it.
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April 22, 2013, 01:06 PM #15
Hahahahah!
I still need to get the Dagostino preamp in the mix and compare like combos and see where that that takes me.
Dewey Oxburger: My name's Dewey Oxburger. My friends call me Ox. You might have noticed that, uh, I've got a slight weight problem.
Soldiers: Nooo! Noooo!
Dewey Oxburger: Yeah, yeah I do. Yeah, I do. I went to this doctor. Well, he told me I swallow a lot of aggression... along with a lot of pizzas! Ha Ha Ha! Pizzas! I'm basically a shy person, I'm a shy guy. Uh, he suggested taking one these uh, aggression training courses. You know these aggression training courses like EST, those type of things. Anyway, it cost 400 bucks! 400 bucks to join this thing? Well I didn't have the money and I thought to myself, "Join the army"! It's free. So I figured while I'm here I'll lose a few pounds. And you got what, a 6 to 8 week training program here? A real tough one. Which is perfect for me.
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Dewey Oxburger: I'm going to walk out of here a Lean, Mean, Fightin' Machine! Ha ha ha ha!Last edited by joeinid; April 22, 2013 at 01:14 PM.
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April 22, 2013, 01:28 PM #16
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I can't believe you didn't get the reference the first time. You need to watch "Stripes" again.
And "Uncle Buck."
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April 22, 2013, 01:32 PM #17Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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April 22, 2013, 01:44 PM #18
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Seriously? You really don't remember the scene where Dewey is teaching Cruiser how to play poker?
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April 22, 2013, 01:48 PM #19
That was a funny movie.
Last edited by joeinid; April 22, 2013 at 01:50 PM.
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April 26, 2013, 06:42 PM #20
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
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April 26, 2013, 06:46 PM #21
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
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April 27, 2013, 02:27 AM #22
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Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
Soon 710 will came in a new design - "MK II" will use SMPS like 501 and 530.
And it will have a sound character like 501 and 530 - a smoother easier to like sound.My blogs Wizard High-End Audio Blog & Wizard Ultimate
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April 27, 2013, 02:32 AM #23
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
Will you give us some pictures; inside and out?
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April 27, 2013, 02:47 AM #24
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Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
I will post inside pictures of the new design when available.
GFDS 41-SOULUTION0003.jpg
But for now a bad picture of 710 with the new speaker terminals.
Why does the picture gets so small when uploaded from my computer?Last edited by wizard; April 27, 2013 at 02:49 AM.
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April 27, 2013, 02:59 AM #25
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
Because everything is not up to 'normality' yet.
You got to roll with the flow, adapt, yin and yang, sh!t happens!~ Bob ~
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April 27, 2013, 01:37 PM #26
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Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
710 measurements from an Italian magazine:
Power output - 135-270 watt in 8/4 ohms THD 1%
Output current max - 85A
Output voltage cont. in 8/4/2 ohms - 35/32/30V
Freq. Response - 0-200k -0,1dB
Damping factor in 8 ohm
100 Hz - 6900
1 kHz - 5650
10 kHz - 12435
Slew rate in 8 ohm - up 170V, down 200V
S/N - 117 dB AwMy blogs Wizard High-End Audio Blog & Wizard Ultimate
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August 8, 2013, 11:48 PM #27
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
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August 9, 2013, 12:57 AM #28Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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August 9, 2013, 04:40 AM #29
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
Thanks Joe, you just made me laugh out loud & my wife wanted to know who it was, she knows I'm on the shark. I'm yet to hear the Constellation , would really like to. The Soulution need something more than average to get it!
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August 9, 2013, 07:41 AM #30
Re: Soulution 710 vs. Constellation Centaur
I'm here for you Kev. Anything I can do to make you happy is worth it.
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