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February 18, 2014, 11:22 PM #1
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Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
OK, with wifey and I now 'mostly' moved into the new home, and having committed to getting Alexias, I'm starting to look more seriously at my listening space. The space was built out to be a "media room" but not with any consideration of acoustics or anything like that. The home we bought was a former "street of dreams" home so it had all the fancy stuff of 2007, and the man cave / media room craze was just about to die out.
Now, I'd really prefer not to tear this place up and begin again, 'cause its quite attractive as it is. But how it is going to sound is a big unknown, and there are some serious issues to contend with. Of course, I'll only begin to tackle the issues once I have the speakers properly setup so I can get some good ideas what'll be needed.
First of all, the room does not "close" as the stairway from up above comes into the space and sealing it off will require a creative act. I have some ideas, but you can see with the stairs flowing into the room the way they do it won't be easy.
Second, there will be a wall of glass behind the speakers. A large window and two doors. There are currently some shades but of course those won't have much impact on the sound. I have some TubeTraps that will go into the corners, and I plan to put a large diffusor in front of the center window. There are a lot of products to choose from. My current tube traps are 16" and I may need to go to 20" depending on how things measure out in the future.
Third, the left side of the room is the space that held the screen and beneath that is a nice cabinet that was the place for the front surround speakers for the TV. I plan to convert this to album storage and hopefully can use the shelf space for components. I will need to get an electrician to wire in some dedicated 20amp circuits, near that space and also in the floor—with the expectation I will someday go to monoblocks.
Fourth, the right side is all about the bar scene. There is a microwave, a small wine cooler, a sink with granite counter, cabinets for glasses and liquor. There is even a dishwasher! This will be tough to treat acoustically. Next to this is a column of whole-house sound components and media distribution. It can all go as far as I care, it isn't wide enough to hold 19" components.
Finally, the back of the room opens to the upper floor through the stairs, and then to the other side it opens to the "guest wing" hallway which leads to three bedrooms on the lower floor, including the guest suite. I am hoping to do something with the space and build in a small wine cellar, which will allow me to put in a sliding door and close off that side of the back of the room.
I expect sound is going to travel through the house in a big way, even if I come up with a way to close off the stairs. The walls won't have any insulation, or the ceiling, so when the Alexias are singing it'll be obvious. Hopefully up in the master suite the sound won't be too bad. But this, and the other challenges, may convince me to remodel the space. If I can get by without that expense, it would sure be nice.
So... the projector will go soon, and the screen. I have a couple sound panels from ASC that have art-prints on them that will go nicely, but there really isn't a place to put my SpringTraps. Bass trapping will probably be done with additional Tube Traps. Too bad, those SpringTraps are seriously effective.
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February 19, 2014, 02:23 AM #2
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Awesome space you have there Bob!
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Do you have kids?
Do you watch movies and/or listen to music while the wife is upstairs or sleeping, sometimes?
When you clap your two hands together, how that feels? ...Walk all around that space and keep clapping your hands together.
Then, ask your wife to clap her hands (loud enough), while you are upstairs, and go to the the master bedroom.
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February 19, 2014, 03:17 AM #3
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I really love the way it looks. Beautiful.
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February 19, 2014, 03:55 AM #4
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Bob...Congratulations to you & your Wife on the purchase. New beginnings are always exciting! You have some challenges ahead, but that is half the fun.
Personally, I would make do with what you have to begin, implement & progress from there.
Short of bricking your window in, glass is not such a bad thing behind your loudspeakers or setup. It is manageable with heavy Roman blinds. (Two layer with blackout). You could even put roller shades behind them. On top of that canvass awnings on the outside may be an additional option.
As for the stair case, the sound will travel outwards but your subs will maintain sufficient pressurisation within. The staircase will be a reflection point but that can be managed with a customised dividing wall or panel or screen such as an Acoustic Revive or even ASC traps to begin with.
Deciding whether to ditch the kitchenette or not can come later.
Given the beautiful timber finishes you already have, some Vicoustic panels could compliment nicely.
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February 19, 2014, 08:14 AM #5
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Congrats Bob. Beautiful room. It's all coming together. I know how exhausted you must be. Moving is stressful. But in a few months from now, you will have forgotten all about that and be enjoying Alexia bliss!
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February 19, 2014, 09:06 AM #6
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That's when you'll start to come up with new ideas for that room. I'd think about putting you gear on the wall that the screen is on now. The shades on the doors will act as acoustical treatments. How big is the guest room back there? I know you said that you don't want to do any serious remodeling but... You could take out the wall that the screen is on and open that room right up. That would give you plenty of space between your listening position and the kitchenette, which might help with the overall sound as well. The guest room could become a nice little bike workshop.
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February 19, 2014, 11:05 AM #7
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
The dimensions are 29'2" X 16'7" X 9'7".
The glass doors open to our lower deck, but there are doors to the deck in the hobby room to the right (through the door next to the media stack) and in the bedroom on the opposite side of wall where the screen is.
No kids, just two cats. No TV watching in this space, and the Alexias need no sub-woofer support.
Step 1) Put in a nice wool area rug. That'll begin to reduce the slap echo that is gnarly right now.
When the space under the shelf is repurposed to album storage I can make the front of the drawers have absorption/diffusion as necessary. Likewise, I can modify the glass doors of the liquor cabinet, possibly the door faces beneath the sink. I will likely pull the little wine cooler with its glass door that interferes a wee bit with putting a tube trap in the corner.
Along with a big diffusion panel I'll have custom made to be movable for in front of the large window, I could put Vicoustic panels on the ceiling and space above the component shelf.
i had done enough tweaking in my former room to learn to move cautiously one step at a time or you can mess things up. But this time I'll get some measurements to guide me.
Damn, I'm really getting a jones to hear my music again. It'll likely be another couple months until I have repurchased all that was stolen, and of course waiting to learn how whole the insurance payment will make me. It is indeed a journey.
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February 19, 2014, 05:38 PM #8
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Nice dimensions.
No kids, just two cats. No TV watching in this space, and the Alexias need no sub-woofer support.
Step 1) Put in a nice wool area rug. That'll begin to reduce the slap echo that is gnarly right now.
Along with a big diffusion panel I'll have custom made to be movable for in front of the large window, I could put Vicoustic panels on the ceiling and space above the component shelf.
i had done enough tweaking in my former room to learn to move cautiously one step at a time or you can mess things up. But this time I'll get some measurements to guide me.
Damn, I'm really getting a jones to hear my music again. It'll likely be another couple months until I have repurchased all that was stolen, and of course waiting to learn how whole the insurance payment will make me. It is indeed a journey.~ Bob ~
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February 19, 2014, 08:11 PM #9
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Has anyone used or have experience with RPG Diffractal products? This is what I'm considering using to build a nice diffusor to be placed in front of the large glass window. RPG makes many other acoustical products—has anyone used them?
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February 19, 2014, 08:12 PM #10
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Bob, I love your new room ! It looks like it might be a little lively right now. But I think it has great potential !
I hope you get it setup soon, I know you miss your musicMark
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February 19, 2014, 08:23 PM #11
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February 19, 2014, 08:30 PM #12
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Adam, thanks for this, I did see something like this on the RPG site. Not sure if the somewhat blurry look would be too good though after a bottle of wine! The diffusor that is to the right, next to the sax, is more along the lines of what I'm thinking, with maybe a 4ft verticle section topped by a 2ft horizontal, or something different like an RPG omnifusor. The shapes above the verticle panels in the picture are great, but I think it would be too much for me.
And I believe I saw your room on another audio-blog. Extremely nice. You seem to have cycled through some gear too!
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February 19, 2014, 08:44 PM #13
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I would go with sth that does not limit the view/sunlight, but it is a personal thing. Here is a another view:
All products on the first image in my previous post come from SMT - this is a Swedish company, but I believe they also have a distributor in the US.
Those diffusers can be had in a non-transparent for as well - painted or veneered:
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February 19, 2014, 09:35 PM #14
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Joe Namath?
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February 19, 2014, 09:44 PM #15
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Bob, what a gorgeous room! Definitely a great space to listen to some tunes!
re: room treatments. I'm looking at RPG Diffractals as well, in particular for the front wall behind the speakers. Elsewhere, was thinking Vicoustics mainly.
For the staircase, there are noise isolating curtains. Not sure how well they work, but something to look into. Jeff is your best resource for things like this.
Congrats again on the room - it's beautiful!
Allen
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March 19, 2014, 06:59 PM #16
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With a large window behind and between the speakers, I was considering diffusion. But as I read through the Wilson manual (heh, heh, the rat bastards who stole my speakers didn't get the hardware or manual—good luck assholes) they seem to discourage using diffusion behind and between the speakers. But I see lots of examples of this in many rooms, and in many cases I see folks putting a large diameter tube trap dead center between the speakers. (I see in Mikes room he's placed tube traps dead center and more to each side of center.)
I know I am going to want to deal with the strong reflection the window is going to throw as one of the first places I tweak the room. I was considering the Diffractals, or something very much like Adam has shown above. My plan was to create a stand to support said diffusion panel.
So who can tell me if this is a wise road to head down, or should I focus my initial treatment elsewhere? (I have some 16" tube traps for the front corners, and may need to go bigger depending on later measurements.) Unfortunately, the Spring Traps I have invested in don't seem to fit in any corners of the new space... soon to be for sale!)
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March 20, 2014, 08:37 AM #17
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Generally speaking the front wall is where you would want THICK absorption to help with any kind of boundary reflection in the low end. I have also seen people use both so there is no wrong or right.Overall, I see a couple spots that you might want to deal with (besides treating corners as you are talking about). The back wall is going to need some THICK trapping to help with deep nulls and peaks coming from that wall. Look for something that is thick but also has scattering/diffusion built to the front. We have panels, that can have a Scatter Plate built to the front, and I am sure we are not the only ones doing this. The other area you need to focus on is the early reflection points that are located between where you sit and the speakers. Perhaps you could use something moveable, so they can be stored away when not in use. Also the ceiling reflection point should be treated.Great looking room and I am sure it will sound wonderful!
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March 20, 2014, 03:01 PM #18
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I also had a large window between my two loudspeakers and found the best solution (for my ears) was diffusion. This helped the soundstage no end, which I feel was otherwise suffering from reflections off the window.
In the SMT photos above you see diffusion panels between the loudspeakers. Some of the photos show tuned bass traps at the base, others wing duffusors which incorporate Helmholtz and panel absorber to make the panel more effective at lower frequencies as well.Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.
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March 20, 2014, 03:05 PM #19
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A window between your two mains is not necessarily a bad thing; it has a view on the outside, and that view can make a whole lot of difference for the better.
That's at least what I see through my own window, between my two mains, and five feet behind them.~ Bob ~
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March 20, 2014, 03:54 PM #20
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Well, I've got a house full of windows, and if I cut a few trees I will have a spectacular view of Mt. Hood from just about every room on the main floor. But my music room will be very much the "man cave" so blocking those windows will not bother me at all.
I do like Kiwi's comment that there are some tuned base traps at the base of some of the diffusors. I didn't know base traps would help at that location? I wonder if my spring traps, laid on their sides on the floor, would have an impact placed beneath the window, or even in the back of the room on the floor?
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March 20, 2014, 03:58 PM #21
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Are you going to cut few trees Bob? ...Do you have a fireplace?
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March 20, 2014, 05:42 PM #22
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Bob,
If you need a big diffuser, these folks can build you one.
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June 16, 2014, 10:41 PM #23
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Bob, I too, had the dilemma of having a window in my front wall. I solved it by building a false wall in front of it. It allowed me to run electrical, conduit for speaker wires, and providing a recessed space for a tv as we also watch tv in this room. I then insulated the wall and covered it with upholstered panels.
Here are a few pics of the contruction plus the finished project. If you were to ever want to change things back just remove the entire wall assemblyDALE
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July 15, 2014, 08:38 PM #24
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Hey Bob, any updates? New paint, carpeting, anything?
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July 15, 2014, 11:24 PM #25
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Ah shit! A month ago I finally found a super natural wool carpet (Earthweave) and paid a huge deposit. Not getting an update for a month (I had planned 2 weeks for shipping, then 2 more weeks for the customization) I sent a note to the interior decorator folks. Today they told me "there was a problem with ordering we finally worked through" meaning the goddamn carpet wasn't ordered at all. So, yippie skippie, it'll be another f'n month before the carpet gets here.
F me!
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July 15, 2014, 11:35 PM #26
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Hey at least it's summer now so you can get out for a ride when the rest of the world pisses you off.
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July 16, 2014, 08:31 AM #27
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Boy, I wish I had that room. I would gladly accept your "problems" for a space like that.
Just a thought, but typically with a cone or horn speaker you want "dead end" by the speaker and "live end" by the listener. So traps at the speaker end and diffusers by the listener. But if you had panel speakers it would be the opposite way round, and might work better with the glass behind them and some moderate diffusion there.
I have Apogees, which would probably be perfect in that room. How about we trade homes?Vine, Vide, Velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around.
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July 16, 2014, 12:36 PM #28
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BobM, you'll be retired soon... come visit the Pacific NW.
(This whole move to Portland thing has tried my patience many times over. I am longing sooooooo much to have music again. I am blessed, it is a nice space for my system. It'll take some tweaks to be sure, but ultimately there will be many wild nights in the music room. )
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Bob,
How's the landscaping going?DALE
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Ugh, I can't believe the hassle I've run into just trying to get some damn carpet in my room. Had to file a credit card dispute with our bank—the "interior design" firm my wife selected has turned out to be completely un-responsive. Now I've got to find a new carpet vendor. Its been since last November now since I've had music, beginning to think I can live without. I'm considering selling everything, buying a Jeep, and learning to fly-fish. Lots of good rivers here in Oregon.
Anyone else ever have the urge to give it all up?
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July 23, 2014, 02:22 PM #32
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July 23, 2014, 02:27 PM #33
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As a panacea I would highly recommend getting a good pair of headphones and a decent head amp and spin some disks that way to quench your musical needs. By far the best way to get decent sound in the interim. Only problem is it doesn't fill the room with sound. But it does lend itself to setting aside time to read a nice book.
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July 23, 2014, 02:29 PM #34
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Every once in a while I wonder about giving it all up. Usually it's when life just keeps ya too busy. And then - I take the time to listen and enjoy and the thought goes away.
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July 23, 2014, 04:41 PM #35
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Moving is designed to be stressful. Remodeling amps it up a couple of notches. Unreliable contractors or decorators add to the circus of delayed gratification and "why did we move". Bob these are all going to fade and should not stress you to the max. Cancer, poverty, death or a broken really expensive phono cartriage may require true rage but once your settled and listening all this other nonsense will be but a weak memory and don't get a stroke
Take a slow cleansing breath.
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July 23, 2014, 05:54 PM #37
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Don't give up
Just installed them without rug
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July 23, 2014, 05:55 PM #38
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I am same age and have lived thru 2 one year long major remodels.(BTW still married same women) Until you have a sh-tty contractor you never realize what a blessing an honest and timely good contractor is really worth.
Best of luck
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July 23, 2014, 05:55 PM #39
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July 23, 2014, 05:59 PM #40Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
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July 23, 2014, 05:59 PM #41
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
Zellaton Plural Evo speakers, Doshi Audio EVO phonostage, VPI Avenger direct-drive turntable/VPI 12-inch gimbal Fatboy/vdH Colibri Master Signature/Triangle Art Apollo cartridges, SAT LM-12 tonearms/Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, VPI 12-inch gimballed Carbon Fiber arm/vdh Black Crimson and Sumiko Songbird, Mutech Hayabusa cartridges
Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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July 24, 2014, 08:39 AM #42
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October 2, 2014, 12:56 PM #43
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
At last, carpet arrived and profoundly changed the feel of the space. The dark hardwood floors really gave a man 'cave' feel, but the lighter color of the wool carpet adds a much more sophisticated feel to the room. This morning I started to put the rig together.
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October 2, 2014, 12:59 PM #44
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Congrats Bob! What a journey you've been on. You must be glad to be reaching the final setup stage. Congrats and keep us posted on how it all sounds. I bet the 150/Alexia combo will be terrific.
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October 2, 2014, 01:48 PM #45
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Don't spill any wine on that new carpet.
Looking good. Bet it sounds better with the carpet too.Vine, Vide, Velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around.
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October 2, 2014, 02:46 PM #46
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Myles B. Astor, Senior Editor, PF, www.positive-feedback.com
Zellaton Plural Evo speakers, Doshi Audio EVO phonostage, VPI Avenger direct-drive turntable/VPI 12-inch gimbal Fatboy/vdH Colibri Master Signature/Triangle Art Apollo cartridges, SAT LM-12 tonearms/Lyra Atlas SL Lambda, VPI 12-inch gimballed Carbon Fiber arm/vdh Black Crimson and Sumiko Songbird, Mutech Hayabusa cartridges
Technics RS1506 reel-to-reel with low inductance Flux Magnetic heads, Doshi Audio EVO tapestage, AudioQuest Dragon Zero, Audience FrontRow, Ensemble PC, Skogrand, Kubala-Sosna Realization speaker cable, Ikigai Kangai speaker cable, SRA Craz 3/OHIO 2.3 platforms and Symposium ISIS/Ultra rack/platforms, Silver Circle Tchaik 6 PLC.
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October 2, 2014, 03:13 PM #47
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
looks very clean and relaxing. I have a dog bed for my BFF to enjoy the tunes with me if my wife occasionally defers.
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October 2, 2014, 05:42 PM #48
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Good eye Miles! The Wilson dealer is coming down on the 12th to perform the WASP, and bringing an HRS platform for the AMG v12. (to replace the stolen one)
I'm initializing the setup with a broken in Ref3/Ref110 combo. This way I can play music until the 12th to get a few hours on the Alexias, and the speaker setup can be done with used gear—I feel setting up with out-of-the-box REF10—REF75 pair probably not the best way to go. Then when speakers are in place, I can swap in the new REF gear, and burn some hours on those pieces too. After I've burned 600 hours on the stock KT120's in the REF75, I'll drop in a fresh pair of KT150's.
I've contracted an acoustical firm to work with my architect — the left side of room will have built-in drawers for vinyl, and the right side, where the wet-bar is, will become a little recessed alcove where I can place my rig and finally get it out from between the speakers.
Let the wild rumpus begin!
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October 2, 2014, 05:51 PM #49
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Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Heh, heh! I was sure to have performed the wine test before buying the carpet. I poured a nice Brunello on a sample of the carpet; even rubbed it in good 'cause the lanolin in the wool just had it beaded up and sitting there. Then with some pure water 95% of the stain came right up. After a little enzyme cleaner there was no trace of Brunello... passed the WAF.
On the topic of wine, I joined a "rare washington wines" club recently. First time they opened the roster in 10 years. Now starting to get deliveries of various Washington wines I'd not have much access to as the limited production usually has these sold out before I learn about them.
Its going to be a good autumn and winter. System finally coming together, and lots of wine to drink. Now I need to be sure there's an equal amount of new vinyl
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October 2, 2014, 06:26 PM #50
Re: Starting Point - Bob's new room and Alexia's new home
Beautiful, Bob! Here's to many happy listening and drinking sessions in your new room!
Allen
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