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November 2, 2018, 11:32 AM #1
Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
So many of the new vehicles I drove including the 19 Santa Fe we just bought have this new feature, Idle Stop & Go where the engine turns off at red lights and back on when you release the brake or hit the gas.
Doesn't it take more gas to keep starting the car than it does to idle for the light?
Doesn't cycling the Starter many extra thousands of times create a stressed and early failing Starter?
I personally don't like the hesitation it has when restarting to move from a light. (All the ones I drove were similar)
All the SUVs I drove that had it, had it ON as default and you have to turn it off every time you start the car if you don't like it. It should be defaulted OFF.
Who likes it? Who hates it? Why?-----------------
Brian
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November 2, 2018, 11:57 AM #2
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
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November 2, 2018, 12:03 PM #3
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I have had it on the last few vehicles but was able to set it so that it does not come on by default. When I did try it a few times I didn't notice any hesitation after it activated at a stop light.
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November 2, 2018, 12:19 PM #4
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Thanks Joe, I knew it was bullshit. Going to see if it can be disabled by Hyundai
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November 2, 2018, 01:09 PM #5
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
That guy in the video is very opinionated but I think he’s right on a lot of stuff. I remember as a kid and young adult that starting the engine is the point at which most wear happens but as technology progressed, and warm stars are more common it’s probably not as big a deal. On my Camry hybrid, there were literally multiple dozen start stop cycles. I always cringed but that’s what it was designed to do.
I just don’t like it on a non hybrid car for many reasons. On my car it’s suspected of killing batteries in two years as opposed to the usual 4-6. I’ve disabled mine.
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November 2, 2018, 01:12 PM #6
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Joe, not a lease. I will push the off button when I drive but sure to forget at times so a full disable or at least a change in default would be great.
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November 2, 2018, 01:29 PM #7
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I have occasionally gotten them in loners from the dealership. I did not think it was the starter we firing the engine. I thought it was a very heavy flywheel with centrifical force it through it back on. Anyhow, I hated it and was always tinkering to figure out how to turn it off.
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November 2, 2018, 05:07 PM #8
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Idle On/Off is the dumbest thing the gov has made mandatory regarding cars since making ethanol blended gas mandatory......
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November 2, 2018, 05:11 PM #9
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
My F150 has it, but I can disable it on my dash. When I first got it , it was "weird" but after 24k miles I Haven't had any issues at all. My neighbors 2016 911 has it, such a odd feature to be designed on a Porsche. Not fond of it.
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November 2, 2018, 05:21 PM #10
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Hate it.
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November 2, 2018, 06:25 PM #11
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
PITA for a measly 0.1 mpg savings.
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November 2, 2018, 09:35 PM #12
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Had it on my VW Touareg. In 3 years the ecu said it had started the car over 7000 times. I never use it now.
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November 2, 2018, 10:08 PM #13
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Holy cow, 7000 times, that’s insane.
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November 3, 2018, 12:14 AM #14
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Terrible feature. It doesn’t work properly and can be very dangerous. It almost got killed in a rental car because of the acceleration lag. I needed to pull out quickly to avoid oncoming traffic and I couldn’t do it. Then there’s the ridiculous wear and tear on the starter.
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November 3, 2018, 07:08 AM #15
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Joe, I never realised until I had a mechanic hook it up to his computer with the right tuning software & he started to read all of the parameters & figures. He was dropping me off & we started to talk about the new tuning capabilities his new software has that he got from Germany. As an interesting side comment he mentioned how many times my starter motor had been used since new. I freaked & never used the damn thing again. But as Ken said, it too can be escalated into a bad situation very quickly if you aren't 5 seconds ahead of the lapse....
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November 3, 2018, 07:30 AM #16
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I always modify every car I have. Luckily my 2016 370Z doesn't have this stupid feature. If it did, I'd using the tuning software to turn it off permanently. If I ever get a car that has this feature, I will get whatever tuning software is needed for that vehicle and turn that feature off (among doing actual tuning on the vehicle of course).
My brother that also had a 2016 370Z (which he never really cared for) just traded it in recently for a 2018 Alfa Romeo Giulia, and it too has that stupid Stop & Go feature that he has to disable every time he gets in it. The heck with that.
Just thinking about it, I estimate if my car had that feature, it would stop and start at LEAST 15 times between here and work which is a 4 mile city commute. And I typically go home for lunch. So that's roughly 60 times in one day that the starter has to be used! 60 times! That's two entire weeks worth of starts with a "normal" car like mine. Nooooo thank you.Pass Labs XP-20 | Auralic Altair G1 | Odyssey Audio Stratos Monoblocks | JVC XL-Z411 | Nakamichi DR-1 | Technics SL-1700MK2 | Magnepan 1.7i | SVS PB-1000 Pro x 2
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November 3, 2018, 08:30 AM #17
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Hate it too on my M550. The car starts with it on by default. Went to the BMW dealer to reset it to so that it defaults to being off at startup. Previous BMW had it off by default. Was told by dealer that the change was mandated by the feds.
Bummed.
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November 3, 2018, 08:37 AM #18
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I like what one car mag writer noted about this feature " Like children, stop-start systems should neither be seen nor heard."
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November 3, 2018, 08:54 AM #19
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I rented a Durango for a weekend to move gear. It had that feature. I don’t remember a turn off switch. I’d come to a stop wherever and it would shut off. I’d lift off the brake and it would start again. I’d have to stop, a few seconds later, off. It was annoying as hell.
My VW has it too but it’s sort of disabled. It’s not permanently disabled but good enough until I drag out the tool.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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November 3, 2018, 09:14 AM #20
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November 3, 2018, 04:49 PM #21
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Yeah, for now it's Get in, Turn car on, Press Defeat switch, repeat
I will see if they can disable or reverse the default next week. I still have not driven it since I brought it home because we switched the insurance starting next Tuesday. Putting a few hundred more miles on the Rav over the next 2 days driving to the Cabin to close it up for the winter.-----------------
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November 3, 2018, 05:45 PM #22
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
As far as I know, no one has been able to permanently turn ISG off (Porsche, Audi, BMW)
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November 5, 2018, 08:58 AM #23
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
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November 5, 2018, 04:09 PM #24
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Yes it a known feature that ISG is off in Sport modes.....
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November 7, 2018, 09:14 AM #25
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
So I also figured out after reading a bunch, that if you come to a real slow stop the button lights up and the feature is off temporarily. Then after you resume driving, it goes back to active for the next fast stop.
Sport mode does deactivate it yes, but you get worse gas millage and you still have to push a button after every start to put it into Sport Mode so you may as well push the button right next to that one to disengage the ISG.
I found several after market memory modules that just remember the last setting it was in on next startup, so you can default it to off but still use it if you want to.....not sure why anyone would want to tho.-----------------
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November 7, 2018, 11:19 AM #26
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
That's a darn good point about aftermarket chips. Popular models will have those made by third-party technicians. It is just a computer.
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November 7, 2018, 11:22 AM #27
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I found out that if my seatbelt is not engaged, the auto stop/start “feature” is disabled. Not an appealing solution but I wonder why that’s the case.
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November 7, 2018, 11:23 AM #28
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November 7, 2018, 11:35 AM #29
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November 7, 2018, 12:48 PM #30
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
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November 7, 2018, 12:52 PM #31
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
I am guessing they assume if the seat belt is not connected, you are not driving on the road and could be in a parking lot, your driveway, or in the dealer shop getting the starter replaced
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November 7, 2018, 02:22 PM #32
Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
Hahahaha
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December 21, 2018, 11:00 AM #33
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Re: Idle Stop & Go (ISG) Love it or Hate it?
My own car doesn't have it. But I've driven some cars that do have it. It doesn't bother me at all.
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