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    MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan





    Sounding terrific!


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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    WOW! Very interesting.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    WOW! Very interesting.
    The final nail?


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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Who’s selling them?
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The final nail?


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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    The true connoisseur would have the Vinyl, Cassette, CD, HDCD, SACD, DVDA, Bluray and MQA CD version of the same album.

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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    I tried order Exile On Main Street and Wheels Of Fire today, but found out I didn't have a credit card.

    I have those two albums on the Japanese SHM SACD format, and I was looking forward to comparing each one in the SACD player to try and see if there is any sonic difference. Then I was going to rip the CDs and play through the Lumin for the full MQA decode experience.

    Maybe later.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Who’s selling them?
    http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/feature/Wor...al_Music_Japan
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Then I was going to rip the CDs and play through the Lumin for the full MQA decode experience.
    What is that full decode experience on a 16bit source? There can be very little folded high res data after data for authentication and the upsampling filter data? So in this scenario it's always worst than regular redbook CD, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Tone View Post
    What is that full decode experience on a 16bit source? There can be very little folded high res data after data for authentication and the upsampling filter data? So in this scenario it's always worst than regular redbook CD, IMO.
    There is a point that MQA/ non-MQA CDs are 16 bit, while streaming and downloads tend to be 24 bit.


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    I thought the whole point of MQA was to encode all this music data in a CD quality file that is then unfolded into a 192/24 file via the MQA software.
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    MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Yes, thought so too. But it was recently pointed out to me that physical CDs are 16 bit instead of 24.

    It was when I was testing ripping of MQA CDs, which btw works nicely. The encoding stays intact. But I think most people are not aware of this difference. I was not either.

    For demonstration purposes, you see Roon identifies the file as a 176K version file in MQA and that is also played back by the DAC. But it is 176/16. This is unfortunately a bit of a silver disc coffin nail IMHO. So a better option might be to get a DL if you want to own the file.







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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Also interesting that these cd's are based on the DSD files from the Shm-SACD's as I recall reading.
    That would make for an interesting comparison.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Rnrmf View Post
    Also interesting that these cd's are based on the DSD files from the Shm-SACD's as I recall reading.
    That would make for an interesting comparison.
    Especially for Brothers in Arms which is a 16/44.1 PCM master
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Especially for Brothers in Arms which is a 16/44.1 PCM master
    SHHHH!! Party pooper you

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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Especially for Brothers in Arms which is a 16/44.1 PCM master
    The CD layer from the MOFI SACD is the way to go on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Tone View Post
    The CD layer from the MOFI SACD is the way to go on this one.
    I have both and this new UHQ is the best I’ve heard the album.

    I’m going to try ripping it soon.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    I'd go with whichever format subjectively sounds best to you/makes you happiest enjoying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have both and this new UHQ is the best I’ve heard the album.

    I’m going to try ripping it soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I have both and this new UHQ is the best I’ve heard the album.

    I’m going to try ripping it soon.
    It will be interesting to see how the rip come out. The MOFI SACD is pretty good, but I'm still partial to the 85 Original mastered by John Dent. Man I have so many "copes of this album its nuts. But hey you like what ya like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    It will be interesting to see how the rip come out. The MOFI SACD is pretty good, but I'm still partial to the 85 Original mastered by John Dent. Man I have so many "copes of this album its nuts. But hey you like what ya like.
    The MOFI SACD is very good. There’s something about this CD though. Need to do more comparisons, rip it, etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The MOFI SACD is very good. There’s something about this CD though. Need to do more comparisons, rip it, etc.


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    Any verdict yet Mike, are the UHQ rips any better that regular CD?


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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    Any verdict yet Mike, are the UHQ rips any better that regular CD?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    No chance yet.

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    Sure, keep us posted if you will. Would be interesting to hear what you think.

    While that Camille Thurman rip is only 16 bit it sounds really amazing.


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    Import done.

    Cool result.


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    So according to the MQA patent a 16/44.1 file can expand maximally (and very lossily) to either 24/96 or 16/176.4 (compression ratio ~25%, compared to FLAC’s 50-60%). Even ignoring the fact that BIA is a 16/44.1 master, doesn’t this kind of hocus-pocus (24/352.8) make you realize that MQA is a shell-game to get you to hand over your money?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    So according to the MQA patent a 16/44.1 file can expand maximally (and very lossily) to either 24/96 or 16/176.4 (compression ratio ~25%, compared to FLAC’s 50-60%). Even ignoring the fact that BIA is a 16/44.1 master, doesn’t this kind of hocus-pocus (24/352.8) make you realize that MQA is a shell-game to get you to hand over your money?
    Nope. I use my ears to tell me. So far others with the same CD’s ripped have done more comparisons and are also enjoying the results.








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    And this couldn't also be done using DSP and/or different filters in HQ Player or Roon, without the expense and other MQA whatever? I find that hard to believe.
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    And this couldn't also be done using DSP and/or different filters in HQ Player or Roon, without the expense and other MQA whatever? I find that hard to believe.
    DSP programs don’t include MQA’s technology. It’s ok if people don’t care for it. I’ve seen this song and dance before with DSD. For years it felt like Norman, myself and Ted Brady were the only ones waving the DSD flag. Now DSD is a standard. MQA IMO has long since past DSD in terms of available album titles.


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    On another forum, an SACD supporter derides MQA for charging licensing fees, and being proprietary. However, Sony does the same thing with SACD, and you can't copy (without jumping through hoops) an SACD file.

    I will be glad when I can order the two CDs I want so I can make a comparison between the SACD and MQA version. Darn shipping cost from Japan is half the purchase price.
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    This is a new thing to try out. I’ll need to get some of these UHQ CDs as well and see how I like it. Key advantage is that you actually can rip them.

    It is interesting that the resulting MQA file is 352/24, so the Japanese must be doing something differently. There are some 352K files on Tidal and they sound very good.


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    So, I also ordered some of the UHQ CDs, just to check it out. Yet another way re-sell the catalogue ALL OVER AGAIN, as these babies cost as much as good vinyl (incl. shipping).

    The funny thing however is the original master is not 352K, as that resolution did not exist when these records were produced. So these definitely are up-samples. That begs the question, why not listen to a regular CD rip or Tidal stream and have your DAC upsample it. Much easier, much cheaper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    DSP programs don’t include MQA’s technology. It’s ok if people don’t care for it. I’ve seen this song and dance before with DSD. For years it felt like Norman, myself and Ted Brady were the only ones waving the DSD flag. Now DSD is a standard. MQA IMO has long since past DSD in terms of available album titles.
    But they could include something similar or even better (and I'm pretty sure they will in the very near future). Except for the lossy compression, all MQA is is proprietary DSP and filtering, and other engineers and developers can certainly match or better it, given time and motivation.

    DSD is hardly a "standard", it's just one digital format. As you say, there aren't many titles available in it, and only a small percentage of those are originally recorded in DSD.
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    I just ordered a few MQA CDs from CD Japan. If I Rip the CDs to my MAC and then copy to my Aurender N100H will it retain the MQA decoding?
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    I just ordered a few MQA CDs from CD Japan. If I Rip the CDs to my MAC and then copy to my Aurender N100H will it retain the MQA decoding?
    We’re about to find out!


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    These 4 just got delivered today. I'll give a listen to them tomorrow. If all goes well I'll order more.

    Still want to know if I RIP them will the MQA decoding carry over? If so then I'll download the MQA software to my Aurender N100H.
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    These 4 just got delivered today. I'll give a listen to them tomorrow. If all goes well I'll order more.

    Still want to know if I RIP them will the MQA decoding carry over? If so then I'll download the MQA software to my Aurender N100H.
    Rip to AIFF.


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    Rip to AIFF.


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    Mike, what is the verdict? How do the ripped files sound when played as MQA files?

    Also, did you try ripping as FLAC? Or just AIFF?
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    Mike, what is the verdict? How do the ripped files sound when played as MQA files?

    Also, did you try ripping as FLAC? Or just AIFF?
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    Thanks. Guess I will order Exile On Main Street and Wheels of Fire tonight before my new CC gets hacked.
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    Just listened to Rod Stewart’s EPTAS and 1st impressions are beautiful. Listening to Steely Dan’s Pretzel Logic now.

    The sound is fuller and more detailed than any of my previous versions.
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    Thanks. Guess I will order Exile On Main Street and Wheels of Fire tonight before my new CC gets hacked.

    Hi Bud....please let me know how they sound as I am interested in them as well! Thanks
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    I am hoping they get delivered today. Something is arriving that needs a signature.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    They arrived, and are ripped to FLAC. Will start evaluating in a few hours.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Actually, they ripped to ALAC since I use iTunes. No matter what setting I tried on the Lumin, 44/16 was all that was played. Tomorrow I will rip to AIFF, and see if that makes any difference. I hope that works as the only reason I bought these was to hear MQA. At least the packaging is nice.
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    Re: MQA encoded UHQ CD’s from Japan

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Actually, they ripped to ALAC since I use iTunes. No matter what setting I tried on the Lumin, 44/16 was all that was played. Tomorrow I will rip to AIFF, and see if that makes any difference. I hope that works as the only reason I bought these was to hear MQA. At least the packaging is nice.
    Need to rip to AIFF. Download DBPowerAmp (for Windows or Mac) 15 day free trial and try with that too. Much better for ripping than iTunes.


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