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April 28, 2018, 12:31 PM #1
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Ford announced earlier in the week that they are phasing out all cars except for the Mustang and a Crossover version of the Focus. They are going to sell only Suv's and trucks. Apparently the 5% profit on cars was not enough.
GM and foreign manufacturers must be happy. Too bad for the consumer though with less domestic choices. The new Ford Fusion is an excellent car and the Focus drove somewhat like a Euro built car (it was designed in Germany). Every where I go I see lots of Fusions and Focuses on the road.
I suspect this has a little bit to do with Trump easing the up coming mpg benchmark that cars have to meet in the upcoming years along with low gas prices.
Unfortunately, compact and midsize SUV's don't get as good mpg and they use anemic engines for the most part.
I think that Ford is making a huge mistake because eventually gas prices are going to sky rocket again at some time in the next coming years and people will want high mpg cars.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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April 28, 2018, 06:14 PM #2
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I think you will see Chevrolet follow. Like keeping the Vette and Camaro,. Last week " GM Chief Financial Officer Chuck Stevens told reporters that the company will “make significantly lower investments on a go-forward basis” in its passenger car lineup" Yep SUV's and cross-overs and pickups are the new norm in the US. .
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April 28, 2018, 07:28 PM #3
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Good Riddance. Ford with their quality issues globally are a joke. the beginning of the end.
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April 28, 2018, 08:11 PM #6
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They prefer to make trucks and suv's because the profit margins are higher. Pickup trucks use to be dirt cheap but 20 years ago or so the prices skyrocketed. I once read that it cost GM less than $15K to make a Suburban that they charge $40K. If GM follows suit then the Japanese and Korean's will steal the market even more.
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April 28, 2018, 08:34 PM #7
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They're far from done, new Ranger:
https://www.ford.com/trucks/ranger/2019/
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April 28, 2018, 08:37 PM #8
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I bought one of their SUV's and the biggest piece of shite I have ever owned.
See link below on how Ford Australia treat their customers after the Government fined them. they have got off very lightly
Ford ordered to pay $10 million fine for 'unconscionable conduct'
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April 28, 2018, 08:52 PM #9
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The price of gas here is quite reasonable...$1.75/liter (premium). ...Regular is only $1.55/liter, and should go over $2.00/liter later on when you need to drive your trucks more...pulling campers for summer vacation, mobile home trailers.
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April 28, 2018, 09:03 PM #10
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Interestingly enough, 2 mostly made in America cars, the Camry and the Accord, together account for about 25% of US sedan sales.
Also interesting, a not untypical Yukon Denali XL costs more than a Mercedes GLS 450 (based on MSRP)Rob
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April 28, 2018, 09:16 PM #11
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For premium gas right now here we pay $8 a gallon...Canadian gallon for Canadian dollars.
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April 28, 2018, 09:31 PM #12
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As soon as the car manufacturers switch to all trucks and SUVs the market for trucks and SUVs will dry up. As sure as the sun rises in the East, oil will skyrocket in price again, and most likely will stay there.
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April 28, 2018, 10:00 PM #14
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April 28, 2018, 10:26 PM #15
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I just paid $2.71 per gallon for 92R premium today at Costco while other companies were charging $3.39. Costco gas is top tier fuel.
Back on the original subject. I really wonder if GM will abandon cars since Ford is getting out of the market. They will be the only american company besides Chrysler which makes POS cars except for the beautiful beast Challenger.
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April 29, 2018, 12:02 AM #16
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That's three times less than in Vancouver.
Cars run on gas, so it has some relevance on a grand scale.
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April 29, 2018, 12:07 AM #17
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I think it has more to do with US Tax laws for autos with loaded GVWR >6000 lbs, allowing huge write offs for the self employed and business owners that buy them. If you're self-employed and your CPA has half a brain he should be imploring you to acquire one of these behemoths to reduce your tax burden.
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April 29, 2018, 06:55 PM #18
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I suspect that new car sales are down for various reasons. One reason is that kids just graduating HS and college are having trouble getting jobs or high paying jobs. Housing is sky rocketing (my daughter graduated nursing school 2 years ago, lives in Denver and has a 2 bedroom apartment that cost $1600 per month which she shares with a roommate and she has $600 per month student loan payments.)
These kids can't afford cars or are buying cheap used cars. The used car market is booming here. And my 26 year old son says many of his friends that have graduated college can't afford new cars. Many are still living at home with their parents. And more people are using Uber and Lyft. Cars are also built better and many people are hanging on to them longer.
I actually loathe SUV's although we own one to tow our boat and for AWD for the heavy winters in Minnesota. I would hate to drive on the road with mostly SUV's and not being able to see over them in traffic.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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I've been in the car business for 44 years, and been GM of a large Honda dealership for 26 years. right now, Honda and Toyota have the most successful cars by volume. especially if you just consider retail, and not fleet or rental, none of the other makes are very close. the SAAR (seasonally adjusted annual retail) number is holding steady around 17 million units. and is not likely to increase. so there is no anticipated growth in the total market, just segment adjustment.
for many reasons, there is a push to move from sedans to SUV's and Crossovers.....likely led by demand for AWD and more flexible uses that customers are demanding. it's driven by all age groups. and there is less demand from the entry level buyers for typical entry level sedans, as many young buyers in urban areas are choosing to either go car less or using car sharing options. it's even normal today that many high school students think it's cool not to drive. 10-15 years ago that would have been unheard of. so the negative effect on sedans is coming from many directions.
back to brands; Ford does not make any sedans that are popular at retail, and mostly sell the few sedans they do sell in the central states, very few on the coasts. Nationally they are trucks and SUV's and sell sedans to rental car companies. and when faced with all the increasing safety and emission regulations and the couple billion (with a B) dollar cost of developing a new competitive sedan they simply made a business decision. Honda and Toyota make too good a product in a declining segment, and sell so many they are able to amortize a much better product over many more units. so Ford is only the first to go this way......not the last.
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One of Ford's issues was that they kept the Taurus around too long. It was dated and not a very good car. The new Fusion on the other hand is a very good car and right up there with the Camry and Accord. I have driven all 3 many times. Reliability is something else and Fords are not very reliable. The Focus is a very nice car and rides better than the Mazda 3 and Elantra and Kia Forte its competitors. However, Ford never addressed the crappy transmission.
I hope with the U.S. automakers getting out of the sedan business, that the quality of the Japanese and Korean cars do not take a hit. I have not owned an american car for over 30 years. I am not concerned about the German cars though. And don't get me started with Dodge and Chrysler. Not even Mercedes could help them.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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I was born in St. Paul, and oldest of 29 grandchildren. most of my cousins still live in the Twin Cities, and unlike where I live, most drive domestics. but that situation is not country wide. your reality of viewing the Focus as 'right up there' with Camry and Accord is very regional. (whether you are right or wrong, the USA wide retail marketplace says you are wrong). if you eliminate sales to rental car agencies; Ford almost sells no sedans on the coasts. and the writing is on the wall that the numbers don't work. and it's a product problem and a product perception problem. and Ford has thrown in the towel on overcoming both parts of their sedan problem.
if you have not driven the new 2018 Accord, you should drive it before you assume i'm wrong. it's amazing.....and more like luxury brands like Mercedes or BMW or Audi than other mass market sedans.
the quality of Hondas are driven by world-wide pressures, not just the USA market. and the domestic sedans are not considered the competition anyway. so whether they come or go has little to do with their product development. this could change, but that is the current situation.
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Hi Mike, I was comparing the Fusion not the Focus to the Accord. Last summer I drove the turbo Fusion and a V6 Accord. Both are excellent. The Fusion handled better, had more precise steering (the Accord had a bit of input lag which was a disappointment), the Fusion had a better ride and was more quiet. I have not driven the 2018 Accord but I am disappointed that they did away with the V6. I was considering a V6 2D Coupe to replace my Maxima and Acura CLS S type.
I also drove the Buick Regal GS. It rides and handles like a BMW which is no surprise since it was designed in Europe. Unfortunately the Turbo 4 is geared for low end torque and it felt anemic on the highway. I am not sure how the new Regal compares.My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Cables-WW Platinum 7 USB, Cardas Parsec XLR, AQ Columbia DBS 72v XLR, Belden 8402 XLR.
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April 30, 2018, 04:35 PM #26
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Bought a Mercedes o BMW lately ...
IMO, Only Porsche today making good cars , mostly everything else ( super exotics aside ) is a POS trade it in every 3-4 yrs to avoid warts. Very little made today are keepers , one of the many reasons big money chasing the good old stuff to park cash ...
Aside many good cars if you plan on rolling them every 3-4 yrs , all good , jap cars dont really work for me , not that they are bad none are really , think of toobs and SS not my Bag, I'm still stuck on German, just trade quickly ..
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April 30, 2018, 10:43 PM #28
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I know that, our gallon is bigger than the US gallon.
Still $1.70 a liter for premium is . . .
¤ http://www.gallonstoliters.com/
Edit: Now it is $1.82 a liter for premium gas! ...$1.62 for regular.
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April 30, 2018, 11:00 PM #29
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May 1, 2018, 12:03 PM #34
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Met Trudeau.....
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May 1, 2018, 02:41 PM #35
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Chris, you are 100% right; voting for the right party won't do a thing, zero.
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May 1, 2018, 02:53 PM #36
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Who's going to pay for their new shoes and suits.
Exactemente, us.
It's impossible to determine with reliable accuracy. But one thing is certain, in Canada electric cars are gaining momentum.
On another unrelated subject, taxes for the big companies under the new tax reform in the USA, is affecting big time some Canadians with dual nationality passports...US and Canadian citizenship. ...Those who have tax sheltered investments in some offshore companies. They have to pay big taxes now, and there is no rescue door.
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No politics people!
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Yes i remember when the Porsche accelerated away and killed its customers, no wait that was toyota,
then it must be when engaging launch control and destroying the transmission on the spot , no wait that was Nissan ,
Ok , ok , you must be talking when the airbags were taking off drivers faces , no wait that was Honda ..
Seriously , Porsche and share of lemons dont mix , the 996 had an early engine issue taken care of , nothing comes close with their reliability and i have tried most of them worth mentioning.
While most manufactuers are making great cars today , If you like driving instead of ricing the japanese cars dont cut it or hold up , their euro or American counterpart is superior IMO, ..
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May 6, 2018, 11:05 PM #43
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the GT3 fires were with the 991 series cars (ca 2014). 996es of the non-turbo/GT3 variety used a derivative of the boxster engine block and were prone to rear main seal failures. Porsche themselve were very hush about it but their affected owners--as you can imagine--were quite vocal. Go to Rennlist and see for yourself. if you ever fancied a preowned watercooled 911 avoid the 996 series like the plague.
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Why do people love pick-up trucks and SUVs so much?
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I’m a car person - 2 door coupe. My wife loves her sporty SUV.
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Re: Ford Abandoning Cars
I use my car to go on holiday etc so it needs to be practical. I cycle to work. Also audio > car.
Many companies in the Netherlands don’t allow their personal to come by car. It’s not uncommon to have a office for 200 people and 50 parking spots.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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December 22, 2018, 06:26 PM #50
Re: Ford Abandoning Cars
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Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
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Thank you for making me feel less tech challenged.:whew: FYI, The 866 works great as a straight, no nonsense integrated with DAC.
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