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    The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    I've been following Rafe Arnott on Parttimeaudiophile and read his piece on Shindo that featured an interview with Matt Rotunda from PitchPerfectAudio and Jonathon Halpern from Tone Imports. Rafe put together a beautifully shot and edited video interview with both Matt and John. Very well done Rafe!

    https://videopress.com/embed/vC851UlT

    Link to original article.

    https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2018/...high-fidelity/

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    Many thanks. It needs a lot of snake oil to make an old junk Garrard worth 32K.There is a company called Oswald Mills Audio in Brooklyn which makes 300K horn speakers. All handmade. Seems to fit exactly to Shindo. Best of the best.

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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Many thanks. It needs a lot of snake oil to make an old junk Garrard worth 32K.There is a company called Oswald Mills Audio in Brooklyn which makes 300K horn speakers. All handmade. Seems to fit exactly to Shindo. Best of the best.
    Seriously you are up to the same bullshit again. What the hell. Mods you need to remove this slanderous member. He has no place here.


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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    Why so harmfull and arrogant? Did I do personal aggression against you? Tell us more about your person and personality.
    Its all about your personal discomfort with other members, nothing related to the topic of this thread.

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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    I liked the video. Thanks a lot.
    Did you notice the Verdier La Platine ?
    Years ago when I was looking for my last tt, I was hesitating between the Verdier and the Shindo 301.
    Went finally for the Verdier but the 301 never left my mind. I wonder how they compare.


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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    Garrard is drive and dynamics. Verdier is mass and steadyness. Both you can hear. Decide for yourself

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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Garrard is drive and dynamics. Verdier is mass and steadyness. Both you can hear. Decide for yourself
    Hello Walter,

    I do not get your thoughts precisely.
    I have no doubt the 301 is very dynamic.
    Although I have a fully restored 124 and heard some 301's and Lenco or PTP Audio tts, I do not get what this "drive" notion is about. Is it something like the british "PRaT" ?
    And why steadiness and mass should be opposed to dynamics ? And the 301 has no "steadiness" ?

    I am listening to my Verdier right now and both micro and macro dynamics are very close to me to the best possible sound. And my cart is not the most "dynamic" out there. ( Koetsu Urushi Vermillion).
    Here are my feelings : the bass of the Verdier is so deep, so textured and full, that compared to tt's that do not have this insight in the bass, or with inappropriate speakers or amps, the sound can seem "slow" or "fat".
    Used with high eff speakers, using very light bass drivers with paper membranes and no rubber suspension, the Verdier is as good as it gets when it comes to dynamics. IMHO.



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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    Jerome,
    at first, there are some versions of big verdier turntables. A version with an artificial stone epoxy composite and a version with MDF base.
    301 and Verdier differs widely in sound and construction. 301 is not about some specific sonic spectacular. In fact, it divests those criterias and tries to integrate many seldom heard qualities. It has a bone dry bass department, but this sounds complex and deep from its massive wood body. It is analytical for such an old idler design and that comes from its mods Shindo does to it. The platter, for instance rings like a bell without the Shindo mat but in combination, it is dead quiet. It has its strength in the idler drive dynamics and the tone colors and transparency, which occurs only when special mods have been done in combination with a plinth, which isnt overdamped like so many others.
    I know the Verdier sound, owned it for myself. But its a different kind of animal. It is very good at micro- and macro dynamics and to dive deeply into the sound with a huge and articulated body. But as good as its motor is- it misses the direct contact of motor and platter so the "pratt" is reduced. Some tries to overcome this fact with flywheels. Hadnt tried this method. But to me, its second most impressive was its absolutely steadyness, which for sure comes from its perfect and massive platter in combination with the geniously implemented magnetic bearing. Two different designs. Try to hear both and decide for yourself.

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    The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Jerome,
    at first, there are some versions of big verdier turntables. A version with an artificial stone epoxy composite and a version with MDF base.
    301 and Verdier differs widely in sound and construction. 301 is not about some specific sonic spectacular. In fact, it divests those criterias and tries to integrate many seldom heard qualities. It has a bone dry bass department, but this sounds complex and deep from its massive wood body. It is analytical for such an old idler design and that comes from its mods Shindo does to it. The platter, for instance rings like a bell without the Shindo mat but in combination, it is dead quiet. It has its strength in the idler drive dynamics and the tone colors and transparency, which occurs only when special mods have been done in combination with a plinth, which isnt overdamped like so many others.
    I know the Verdier sound, owned it for myself. But its a different kind of animal. It is very good at micro- and macro dynamics and to dive deeply into the sound with a huge and articulated body. But as good as its motor is- it misses the direct contact of motor and platter so the "pratt" is reduced. Some tries to overcome this fact with flywheels. Hadnt tried this method. But to me, its second most impressive was its absolutely steadyness, which for sure comes from its perfect and massive platter in combination with the geniously implemented magnetic bearing. Two different designs. Try to hear both and decide for yourself.
    Ok I get it more clearly.
    Searching about "flywheels" and Verdier on the web I found discussions also about changing the linen thread by a nylon one. Did you try ? Seems that the "weakness" of the Platine would come from the motor.
    A solution may be to use the motor of the Magnum maybe ?
    Thanks !!
    PS : seems that although you do not agree with the price tag, you like the Shindo 301 a lot no ?


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    Re: The Path of Shindo - Video Interview of Matt and Jonathan by Rafe Arnott

    I Just used the Verdier as it was supposed that time with a sewing thread. There was some change on this topic, as the very first Verdier prototypes had the motor placed very close to the device and used a belt for driving. That was changed later to a very thin sewing thread and the motor placed far away to minimize vibrations. You can try to use a massive wooden base which further decouples the Verdier from the room. And try the left sided spike on the mineral base.
    On some point of the evolution I wanted to know, how it all sounds with the player Shindo used for its gears and switched over. I can say, that I didnt regreted it but could recall my musical memory only. I never did A/B comparisons with both. There may be areas, where Verdier outperforms 301 (resolution, microdynamics) but when a system plays with SPU, the whole approach should be to integrate instead of analysing single acoustic phenomenons.

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