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Thread: One S-Sub or Two?
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January 16, 2018, 11:55 AM #1
One S-Sub or Two?
Am now thinking of adding a sub woofer to the system. Am predisposed to the S-Sub. Should it be one or two S-Subs?
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January 16, 2018, 12:22 PM #2
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Two.
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January 16, 2018, 12:42 PM #3
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Would be inefficient and a waste not to utilise the two SW channels on the Diablo
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January 16, 2018, 01:19 PM #4
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Two
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January 16, 2018, 01:22 PM #5
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Not overkill to have two S-Subs and the S32s? Can’t see how it would be and can’t wait to test!
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January 16, 2018, 02:05 PM #6
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
It's not the loudness of the subs it's having one for each channel and integration.
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January 16, 2018, 07:27 PM #7
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Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Definitely get two subs. They integrate more easily into the room and provide a more even in room response than a single sub. I have two JL Audio F113 subs for exactly that reason.
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January 16, 2018, 10:16 PM #8
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January 16, 2018, 11:28 PM #9
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Two. Not even a close call.
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January 17, 2018, 12:42 AM #10
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Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Many years ago I tried 1 vs 2 subs with Maggie 3.6s. Hands down, 2 subs were clearly better.
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January 17, 2018, 01:48 PM #11
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
IMO, one can be worse than none.
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January 18, 2018, 04:24 AM #12
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Re: One S-Sub or Two?
any guideline or tips for dual sub integration ?
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January 18, 2018, 04:47 AM #13
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Not a problem!
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January 20, 2018, 06:50 AM #14
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Thanks to Kuoppis I have discovered REL. Seems like I can buy 2x (as per above, I need AT LEAST, and a miltiplier of, 2!) REL G1 mk2s for about the price of 1 x Magico S-Sub. And if I ever decide I need more subterranean bass I can always double up on the G1s....
Given I am a bass-head, I am considering the end-game and cost-efficiency. Does anyone have any experience comparing 2x2 REL G1 mk2s to 2x Magic S-Subs?Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
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January 20, 2018, 06:51 AM #15
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
One more question: what is the step up from 2x1 REL G1 mk2s to 2x2?
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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January 20, 2018, 06:58 AM #16
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Jim - G1 mk2s or your S12 SEs? Similar price but yours have a much larger cone surface area.
Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo
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January 20, 2018, 07:05 AM #17
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
Oh, I am confused by the REL website pricing currency. It says the G1 mk2s are GBP4,200 and the 212 SEs are $4,000 (presumably US$). I checked again and it switched back to GBP! Ignore previous message.
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January 20, 2018, 10:15 AM #18
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
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January 20, 2018, 12:39 PM #19
Re: One S-Sub or Two?
I do like the high/speaker level input option on the REL's. For me, I achieved a lot better integration with my JL Audio E-subs with this connection type. I wouldn't have kept the subs without it.
That said the Magico's offer xlr inputs which are preferred over RCA's for longer runs of cable. The relatively long run of RCA's I had may have been an issue in my case.
Also, if you haven't already, I would check out JL Audio and SVS subwoofers. I don't think your research is really complete without exploring these options. In my mind the SVS SB16-Ultra would be tough to beat.
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I guess the priority is to get the flurry of new SE units out to customers and then take care of the previous model SE upgrades. Seems to be happening that way here also.
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