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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by Devg View Post
    I have both the SI and Sparko Opamp for the Nords and you can season it based on the rest of the system. With these ICE modules you don't have that option and the performance depends on the rest of your upstream gears and the amps will never be the seasoning place or weak point.
    And it is interesting to see that while the Nords have offered either the Hypex buffer or the lower tier modules all integrated with the PSU (the same concept as the 1200AS2) - that so many have opted for the Nord own buffer and OPA rolling to taste.

    If the Icepower 1200 is truly transparent and there is no choice of buffer tweak - will it be all anyone needs? (And if so - why wasn’t the existing Hypex offerings).

    That’s why we are all so keen on owners like you sharing your experiences if you are lucky enough to be able to play with both.
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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by M5Sime View Post
    If the Icepower 1200 is truly transparent and there is no choice of buffer tweak - will it be all anyone needs? (And if so - why wasn’t the existing Hypex offerings).
    This right here. I was thinking the same thing. Weren't we at this point with the NC400?

    Did those that jump on the NC400 and then jump off do so prematurely if we are back to "the amp is transparent - color the sound with your source or speakers".

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Unfortunately, all these talks about "why this" and "why that" is meaningless to me. A company or a manufacturer decides what's best in terms of engineering and sales - the Hypex NC1200 modules in many high priced amps is also full stock and has earned a great deal of reputation from audiophiles. Yes, I also had the Merrill Veritas in my system at one point. You can analyze all these logic to death (and off coarse without any outcome) or you can simply buy them and hear it out yourself. I preferred to do the later.

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Still no news on anyone’s listening impressions. Does anyone know a dealer source for the module? I looked on eBay.
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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Other than the original "kit" purchasers there are no owners to give you listening impressions. Also this is an OEM only module just like the NC1200 and is not available for sale to DIY. The other kit owner impressions other than Dev's are on Audio Circle.
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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by rklein View Post
    Interesting thread...

    [..] purchased Colin's Nord One Up Monos which I pair with a TLA MZ2 Pre with NOS Tubes. Pretty happy again.

    Yes...I am going to try the new AS1200 from Mike. For the price of admission, why not?
    Hi, any direct comparison?

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by Devg View Post
    I got an ad mail from Colin at Nord and seems like they are also in the process of building an amp out of this module but priced lower than than the NC500 based Nord One up.
    In terms of boards, a single Icepower 1200AS2 – giving you two channels – costs roughly as much as a single channel of a NC500 based amp (with stock Hypex buffer and SMPS). Then you have to add case, connectors, some cabling. Therefore it is not surprising that a 1200AS2 based amp should cost less than a NC500 based one. A final 15-20% cost difference is to be expected, if in both cases quality connectors/cabling/cases are used (decent quality, not inches thick worth of aluminium and all top Furutech stuff just because).

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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    Quote Originally Posted by AJ Soundfield View Post
    Yes and no "radical" difference whatsoever.
    Please note the 1200AS2 sits below top in the Nord hierarchy as well.
    I'd say about even. Then again I'm not quite as prone to audiophilia hallucinatory hyperbole of the latest greatest thing since sliced bread. YMMV.
    By "I'd say about even" do you mean that it is fair that the 1200AS2 sits below top in the Nord hierarchy or that the two solutions are roughly equal in SQ?
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    Re: New B&O ICE Power 1200AS2 Module @ Nord: 600W into 8Ohms 1200W into 4Ohms

    For long time I wanted to buy a Ncore based amp, then recently there was the almost unbearable hype by Mike of Mivera audio. If you read carefully, the hype all comes from him, or by people that report his claims, or reported by him as comments from folks that bought from him and curiously had no good hypex implementations before. This is highly suspicious, but maybe it is true that he believes that this module has the best sound in the world.

    I then ordered a 1200as2 based amp from an European manufacturer (Apollon), but because of Icepower delays they will be delivered not before March. The Icepower folks are clearly logistics amateurs: They told me that they have problems because of widespread allocation problems in the electronics industry, something that was actually known in advance in the first half of last year, when they were starting the buzz on the new module. But, if they are betting their future on this line, why did they not think about that before? It is clear that when Icepower was spun off from B&O they did not take the best logistics folks with them.

    Therefore I changed my order to a NC500 based one, with custom buffers with SI discrete opamps and Sparkos regulators. Yes, more expensive, but at least the tech is proven and if it sounds as I expect it (mostly linear in response, fast bass, excellent timing, good staging and clear but not harsh highs), then I will be happy.

    Still willing to compare myself Ncore vs the new Ice Edge based modules, but being a bit annoyed at Icepower I think this won't happen very soon. Since the Ice Edge chipset can support the processing for very, very high switching frequencies, maybe when they will have GaN or GaAs based output devices. Then a 3Mhz and beyond switching frequency can be attained and thus negligible phase rotations for several octaves beyond audible range.

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