Gryphon Colosseum arrives at Suncoast Audio

[Mike]

It's funny, Jeff Fritz (Soundstage Ultra) said in his review that overall, he preferred Antileon Evo to Colloseum and Mephisto. Wow!!!

For the money....

I have a network of Gryphon dealers in Europe and Asia that I communicate with on FB Messenger. They've carried the brand for years or decades. They all told me - unanimously - get the Colosseum!


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[nonesup]

“And the Antileon Evo’s sound, too, differs a bit from those of the Mephisto and Colosseum. It’s not quite as quiet as either of the earlier amps, though so close that in listening it made no difference. After all, we don’t listen with an ear pressed against a tweeter, which was the only time I could hear any noise from the Evo. Although I’m now relying only on my memories of the sounds of those older amps, I can say that the Evo’s soundstaging was just a touch bigger than the Colosseum’s, and virtually matched the Mephisto’s. I also think the Evo sounded more, um, analog than the Mephisto or Colosseum. By which I mean not that its sound was “slower” or less resolving, but that it was so cohesive -- entirely of a piece -- and easygoing. Though the Antileon Evo has impressive resolving capabilities and admirable speed and agility, those traits didn’t stand out and call attention to themselves; instead, I simply appreciated how natural the Evo sounded with any music I threw at it.”

Well, it seems that not only for the money .... but it is true that we each have our preferences in sound.

[Mike]

”And the Antileon Evo’s sound, too, differs a bit from those of the Mephisto and Colosseum. It’s not quite as quiet as either of the earlier amps, though so close that in listening it made no difference. After all, we don’t listen with an ear pressed against a tweeter, which was the only time I could hear any noise from the Evo. Although I’m now relying only on my memories of the sounds of those older amps, I can say that the Evo’s soundstaging was just a touch bigger than the Colosseum’s, and virtually matched the Mephisto’s. I also think the Evo sounded more, um, analog than the Mephisto or Colosseum. By which I mean not that its sound was “slower” or less resolving, but that it was so cohesive -- entirely of a piece -- and easygoing. Though the Antileon Evo has impressive resolving capabilities and admirable speed and agility, those traits didn’t stand out and call attention to themselves; instead, I simply appreciated how natural the Evo sounded with any music I threw at it.”

Well, it seems that not only for the money .... but it is true that we each have our preferences in sound.

Is that from Jeff?


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[nonesup]

Yes.
Review 1 March 2017

[Alpinist]

”And the Antileon Evo’s sound, too, differs a bit from those of the Mephisto and Colosseum. It’s not quite as quiet as either of the earlier amps, though so close that in listening it made no difference. After all, we don’t listen with an ear pressed against a tweeter, which was the only time I could hear any noise from the Evo. Although I’m now relying only on my memories of the sounds of those older amps, I can say that the Evo’s soundstaging was just a touch bigger than the Colosseum’s, and virtually matched the Mephisto’s. I also think the Evo sounded more, um, analog than the Mephisto or Colosseum. By which I mean not that its sound was “slower” or less resolving, but that it was so cohesive -- entirely of a piece -- and easygoing. Though the Antileon Evo has impressive resolving capabilities and admirable speed and agility, those traits didn’t stand out and call attention to themselves; instead, I simply appreciated how natural the Evo sounded with any music I threw at it.”

Well, it seems that not only for the money .... but it is true that we each have our preferences in sound.

Please put some quotation marks around this, I thought it was your review!

Thanks,
Ken

[nonesup]

He's right, I forgot

[Kuoppis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slsan0RHcls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvBf8WVOlnI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChB6euRpT1g


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Wow, that is one system you have assembled there. Guess soon people will start to travel to the US just to hear your systems.

Thank you, greatly appreciated.


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[Alpinist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slsan0RHcls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvBf8WVOlnI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChB6euRpT1g


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Wow, thanks for posting! Super organic and musical. Big presentation. That is quite an amp! I loved the music too except for the guy belching on the last one.

Ken

[matt_zak]

Thanks for posting the videos Mike. Will you be getting the Pandora or Kalliope to pair with the amp?

[Mike]

Thanks for posting the videos Mike. Will you be getting the Pandora or Kalliope to pair with the amp?

Eventually the preamp.

[nonesup]

I just did a few numbers and I'm a bit puzzled.
If I want to buy an AR Ref 6 in Spain, the MSRP is € 16,900, which at the current exchange rate is $ 19,900. The MSRP in the USA is $ 14,000, the cost over is 42%.
The MSRP in Spain for a Gryphon Colloseum is € 44,000 or $ 51,800. Assuming for the USA the same over cost, the Colloseum should have an MSRP of $ 73,500 and yet it is $ 49,000. Unless the USA has entered the European Union and I have not heard, I can only say; guys from USA
WHAT THEY HAVE LUCK WITH GRYPHON !!!

** Edited Gryphon name.

[Mike]

I just did a few numbers and I'm a bit puzzled.
If I want to buy an AR Ref 6 in Spain, the MSRP is € 16,900, which at the current exchange rate is $ 19,900. The MSRP in the USA is $ 14,000, the cost over is 42%.
The MSRP in Spain for a Griphon Colloseum is € 44,000 or $ 51,800. Assuming for the USA the same over cost, the Colloseum should have an MSRP of $ 73,500 and yet it is $ 49,000. Unless the USA has entered the European Union and I have not heard, I can only say; guys from USA
WHAT THEY HAVE LUCK WITH GRIPHON !!!

There are plenty of examples where it's upside down the other way. Accuphase anyone? Soulution and others.

P.S. It's "Gryphon", not "Griphon".

Also, currency rates have a lot to do with it.


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[Jack]

Also VAT and cross Atlantic shipping.

[nonesup]

Surely the exchange rate explain "perfectly" why in the US a product of the EU, is $ 2,800 cheaper than in Europe (I am that for finance, I am very clumsy).
Best Regards Mike

[asiufy]

VAT might be the culprit, if the prices quoted include it.
The REF 6 would be about 14000 euros, without VAT. I believe Spain is 21%, that would put it right around the final price you quoted.
By the same token, the Gryphon, when sold to the US, has no VAT, so the export price is actually way lower than the 44000 euros quoted.
There's sales tax in the US, but it's usually around 6-9%, and it's rarely included in the quoted prices...

[Kuoppis]

No-one has mentioned customs tariffs, huge impact coming this way at least.


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[Ritmo]

I did have the chance to listen to the Colosseum with the M3s today. While it was a short 15 minutes, the musicality, clarity and stage were staggering. I had no time to do a comparison with the DAG S-250, that may happen later. This Gryphon amp sounds wonderful.

Mike has done an outstanding job getting some fantastic lines. Visits to his store are always a treat.

[the professor]

Id love to compare it to the Dag M400's

Price wise it's a closer match.

[zagfan]

I see a Gryphon Colossium just got listed on the Gon. for 26K. Looks like a great buy.

[Elberoth]

I think you need to buy the monos and place them next to each speaker - THAT should look fantastic

[IAmRael]

Buyer beware!

[Nikhil]

Buyer beware!

Far from it .. if you are looking at the gear listed by Lawrence (lw_415 on Audiogon)
Based out of Singapore, Lawrence is one of the good guys.

Buy with confidence.


Regards.