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Thread: ROON using a NUC
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October 11, 2017, 02:53 PM #1
ROON using a NUC
Are any of you currently running Roon on a NUC? If so what has been your experience? Any issues with set-up or stability?
About a week ago I was discussing what at that time was my set-up. Roon Core running on my MacBook Pro connected wirelessly to my network. I have a USB storage device for CD's and hi-rez files which is also connected to that network and is monitored for changes by Roon. Tidal is accessed thru Roon for both CD quality and MQA titles. Then endpoint was my Meridian 808v6 connected via ethernet to the network. Everything was running very smooth. No drop-outs that others seem to experience. The only time it might hang up is when it is performing a rescan of my files.
The individual indicated that I would get better SQ if my core was hardwired to my network. I explained that there was no way I was wiring my laptop to the network so he suggested I add a NUC to perform the core duties connected via ethernet. Doing a bit of research to looks as if I would also have to add a network switch so I would have sufficient ports. From what I am reading I would have to purchase a keyboard and possibly a mouse to complete the NUC set-up. Haven't had either one of those in the house in 10 years.
Last week I sold my Meridian 808v6 and picked up a dCS Rossini. Now I am impatiently waiting for the final version of MQA for the Rossini, supposedly and day now. I am hoping that their final version runs thru Roon and not just their ap.Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
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October 12, 2017, 12:07 AM #2
Re: ROON using a NUC
https://www.computeraudiophile.com/c...kit-rock-r652/
https://kb.roonlabs.com/ROCK:_Getting_Started
For more discussion about Roon / ROCK on NUC, check out https://community.roonlabs.com/Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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October 12, 2017, 06:34 AM #3
Re: ROON using a NUC
Yes I've been using one for a number of months now. Excellent and very easy to setup.
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October 12, 2017, 11:53 AM #4
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Re: ROON using a NUC
I just had my Rossini delivered and setup about 10 days back, and my dealer strongly urged me to get a NUC for the ROCK. Easy to buy parts and setup but having a keyboard and monitor likely needed for setup only. After that no need. I could have done it but my dealer did it for me as a courtesy. He mentioned doing it for several clients as his listening showed letting the ROCK do upsampling sounded better with the Rossini. I had not previously used Roon, so I can't speak to wired vs not wired performance, but the ROCK in the closet controlled via my iPad works great, the ROCK connected to the same switch as the Rossini.
I have a 500Gb SSD in the ROCK for music storage, and my NAS has the balance of digital my library. The NAS is in another part of the house, so a couple switches away. All works like a charm, and much better than my prior jRiver / USB Dac configuration.
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October 12, 2017, 03:16 PM #5
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I will be selling the Roon Nucleus. That's what I would get.
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October 12, 2017, 03:24 PM #6
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
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October 12, 2017, 03:29 PM #7
Re: ROON using a NUC
My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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October 12, 2017, 03:30 PM #8
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Re: ROON using a NUC
Innuos Zen or Roon Nucleus (when released) fits the bill
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October 12, 2017, 03:42 PM #9
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 13, 2017, 09:31 AM #10
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I too am researching the best way to set up Roon in my system. There are plenty of options where/what to run Roon on, and you wouldn't think synergy has its place regarding computers and their setup in peoples systems but turns out it does: Contrary to most others Roon Core was not good on my MBP and was better running on my network player: Here is my recent thread:
https://community.roonlabs.com/t/sou...sound-pp/31593Tidal/Roon>exaSound Playpoint>exaSound e22>Marchand XM44>Nord OneUp NC500 x2>Magneplaner 3.6r: Wireworld digital, Audio Zen Silver reference II XLR, Audio Zen Satori speaker cables, Transparent Plus & Audio Sensibility Statement XLR's, Transparent Plus speaker cables, Audio Sensibility Testament power cords, Solid Tech reference rack, Feet of silence, Mye Stands, Plixir BDC linear power supply, RCPC Pro 400, Audio Magic Stealth power conditioner, Hubbell outlets & dedicated lines, DIY RPG and N11 Quadratic diffusors and Primacoustic absorption panels
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October 13, 2017, 09:51 AM #11
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 13, 2017, 10:58 AM #12
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Re: ROON using a NUC
There are good alternatives to a NUC or a Roon Nucleus (which at the end of the day, IS a NUC). I like the Innuos products, as they have a USB port as well as isolated Ethernet ports, so you can plug your DAC directly to it, not requiring a hub/router.
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October 13, 2017, 11:20 AM #13Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 13, 2017, 06:49 PM #14
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Jim, have you looked at the SOtM ultra https://www.sotm-audio.com/sotmwp/en.../sms-200ultra/
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October 13, 2017, 07:14 PM #15
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I think they have priced themselves out of the market at $3500 for what it does.
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 13, 2017, 10:38 PM #16
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If I understand your thread correctly, this may imply the RFI from the WiFi when you use MacBook Pro is more damaging to SQ than having Roon Core increases the load on your network player. If my theory is correct, if you change your whole audio setup to become wired (and turn off all WiFi if possible), having Roon Core on your MBP should be better than on the network player, as everyone else says.
Peter Lie
LUMIN Firmware Lead
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October 13, 2017, 11:10 PM #17
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Thanks for the suggestion Peter. I will make some cat6 in appropriate lengths and give it a go this weekend.
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October 14, 2017, 08:13 AM #18
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October 14, 2017, 11:46 PM #19
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Well I'll be... it did make a difference. Plenty of grunge seems to be removed. I have gone back and forth several times and it is very close between DSD 128 on the MacBook and the Playpoint doing DSD 64; too close to call yet. Earlier I thought the MacBook sounded a tad more digital still; that is why I gave it another advantage by going up to DSD128, but now I am not sure...
It is rather baffling as there is wireless everywhere; even using a Roon remote in the form of a tablet or iPhone in the audio room will present some additional RFI, and I thought all the equipment and cabling was shielded sufficiently, but apparently not. Having the network player so close to the DAC would the main enemy I suppose? the magnitude of that wireless signal is just to close to the rest of the equipment? Now I am wondering about wallpapering the room with copper foil...
Sorry to hijack the thread slightly JimTidal/Roon>exaSound Playpoint>exaSound e22>Marchand XM44>Nord OneUp NC500 x2>Magneplaner 3.6r: Wireworld digital, Audio Zen Silver reference II XLR, Audio Zen Satori speaker cables, Transparent Plus & Audio Sensibility Statement XLR's, Transparent Plus speaker cables, Audio Sensibility Testament power cords, Solid Tech reference rack, Feet of silence, Mye Stands, Plixir BDC linear power supply, RCPC Pro 400, Audio Magic Stealth power conditioner, Hubbell outlets & dedicated lines, DIY RPG and N11 Quadratic diffusors and Primacoustic absorption panels
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October 15, 2017, 08:11 AM #20
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 15, 2017, 09:57 AM #21
Re: ROON using a NUC
Tidal/Roon>exaSound Playpoint>exaSound e22>Marchand XM44>Nord OneUp NC500 x2>Magneplaner 3.6r: Wireworld digital, Audio Zen Silver reference II XLR, Audio Zen Satori speaker cables, Transparent Plus & Audio Sensibility Statement XLR's, Transparent Plus speaker cables, Audio Sensibility Testament power cords, Solid Tech reference rack, Feet of silence, Mye Stands, Plixir BDC linear power supply, RCPC Pro 400, Audio Magic Stealth power conditioner, Hubbell outlets & dedicated lines, DIY RPG and N11 Quadratic diffusors and Primacoustic absorption panels
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October 15, 2017, 11:42 AM #22
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Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
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October 15, 2017, 05:55 PM #23
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Re: ROON using a NUC
Interesting thread. I've clicked a few of the links above.
Why not run Roon core on your NAS? I have Roon on my Synology DS716+II. I upgraded the ram (voids Synology warranty) from 2 gb to 8gb. Roon just sings performance wise. Is Roon Nucleus on Roon on a NUC supposed to be better sound wise? I don't have a big enough digital soft copy library to worry about Roon speed...I am keenly sensitive to it's sound. Only recently has Roon and dCS started to sound equivalent/better than my NAS with Minim Server controlled by the dCS app.
PS, not arguing the Roon UI, it's incredible
PS2, is your Rossini a player or DAC only? Just curious...Speakers: Rockport Altair 2
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Phono: Grand Prix Monaco TT, Spiral Groove Centroid, Clearaudio Goldfinger Statement v2, Nagra VPS/VFS/MPS
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October 15, 2017, 06:29 PM #24
Re: ROON using a NUC
You don’t experience any lags or loading? I had mine running on an older MacBook for a while and I got occasional buffering on DSD. Roon is awesome, but the Aurender software does quite a bit of the same thing. I don’t miss the hassle of another part of the system to tweak and fix.
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October 15, 2017, 06:51 PM #25
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 15, 2017, 09:26 PM #26
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October 15, 2017, 09:30 PM #27
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October 17, 2017, 06:31 PM #28
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Running Roon on a NAS isn't great..too much noise. A i7 Sonictransporter looks real good, especially compared to the upcoming i7 Nucleus (based on pricing)
Not sure if Nucleus will have ethernet pass thru which I think will be a plus.
BTW, the Rossini, which is a significant improvement over the Meridian u were using pales in comparison to Vivaldi......
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October 17, 2017, 07:11 PM #29
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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October 18, 2017, 09:29 AM #30
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Borrow the Rossini clock from ur dealer....
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October 18, 2017, 10:45 AM #31
Re: ROON using a NUC
Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
Digital: dCS Vivaldi APEX DAC, Clock & Upsampler
Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
Power Conditioner - Shunyata Everest
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November 18, 2017, 12:34 PM #32
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November 18, 2017, 12:36 PM #33
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My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
"We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."
Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Berkeley Audio, Block Audio (distributor), Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Clarisys Audio Loudspeakers (distributor), Classe’ Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, STAX, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, Soulution, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.
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November 18, 2017, 12:53 PM #34
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Re: ROON using a NUC
thank you for your mega quick reply. That’s what I was fearing. It’s the reason I end up disliking digital/computer files and stick to cd and vinyl. Too much hardware and not a clean clear minimal,solution...
at my business I have a Weiss Man301 server that rips cds in flac direct;y to my NAS. At home I have a Laufer ‘the memory player’ (latest version) that has done away with the cd rom drive. It’s a pain.
i was thinking perhaps that buying a Sonictransporter 8tb and connecting via Ethernet to my Soulution 560 DAC would be the way to go. The soulution accepts DLNA
the 8TB has an onboard cd reader and 8TB of space plus carries roon ..
I’m lost as I would like a SIMPLE one box easy to use solution
yourcadvice and help are great;y needed
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November 18, 2017, 12:58 PM #35
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I hear you , always appear to be about the newest software/dac/cables of the month and last month setup is crap circular discussions .
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November 20, 2017, 11:10 AM #36
ROON using a NUC
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November 20, 2017, 01:40 PM #37
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Sonictransporter does offer a one box solution called the AP8 withe a 8TB drive and built in cd drive for loading your files. I have no idea how good it is.
When I need to burn a disc to one of my servers I just plug in my USB drive to my MacBook Pro and move it over from there. It was Very simple.Jim
D'Agostino Momentum M-400's MxV’s & HD Pre-amp
Wilson Alexandria X2 Series 2 speakers
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Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
Transparent Opus Speaker Cable & Interconnects & Opus Power Cords
Power Cords on Digital: Shunyata
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Thank you for making me feel less tech challenged.:whew: FYI, The 866 works great as a straight, no nonsense integrated with DAC.
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