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    Roon

    I am currently running Roon on a Asus laptop with an Intel Core i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz CPU. It does OK but it will not run HQ Player and sometimes has trouble with DSD256 material. What would be my best option for running Roon in my system? Thanks in advance for everyones help.

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    Re: Roon

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    Re: Roon

    I have been going back and forth between running Roon and Sooloos with the Roon core on my current MacBook Pro 2.6 i7 with zero issues but I am not using HQ player. If you haven't already spent time on the Roon board there is a dedicated HQ Player category. Here is the link. Sorry if you have already perused those posts.

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    I agree with Still-One. It sounds to me that your issue is not running Roon but actually running HQ Player. You should check the HQ Player community in Roon as Still-One suggested.

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    How much ram? You need at least 8GB, 16 better
    SSD HD pretty much a necessity
    If u want to run HQ Player probably need to disable everything else on laptop, except roon of course
    How do u access ur music files?

    Also check out the "rock" thread on the roon site....u might want to go this route which is going to be a dedicated solution

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    Re: Roon

    A dedicated machine is your best option for Roon Core and/or HQ Player. If upsampling to DSD256 in HQPlayer you will want a rather beefy machine. My i7 3770 can't do it on it's own with the heavier filters, I need to engage Cuda and use my 1080TI GPU.

    In most cases the full blow Roon install and HQPlayer don't play very well together on the same machine but the less intensive Roon Core & HQ Player will work well with a beefy machine.

    I'd build the following:
    Intel i7 7700
    16GB Ram
    256GB SSD m.2
    Nvidia 1070GTX

    It would be able to run Roon Core and HQPlayer and upsample to DSD256 with the heavy HQPlayer filters with Cuda engaged. A nice NAA or Roon endpoint like the sMS-200 would be needed at your DAC.

    If you want to DSD512 with HQPlayer you need an even beefier dedicated machine just for HQPlayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Tone View Post
    A dedicated machine is your best option for Roon Core and/or HQ Player. If upsampling to DSD256 in HQPlayer you will want a rather beefy machine. My i7 3770 can't do it on it's own with the heavier filters, I need to engage Cuda and use my 1080TI GPU.

    In most cases the full blow Roon install and HQPlayer don't play very well together on the same machine but the less intensive Roon Core & HQ Player will work well with a beefy machine.

    I'd build the following:
    Intel i7 7700
    16GB Ram
    256GB SSD m.2
    Nvidia 1070GTX

    It would be able to run Roon Core and HQPlayer and upsample to DSD256 with the heavy HQPlayer filters with Cuda engaged. A nice NAA or Roon endpoint like the sMS-200 would be needed at your DAC.

    If you want to DSD512 with HQPlayer you need an even beefier dedicated machine just for HQPlayer.
    Agree.

    I use Roon strictly for my headphone system which consists of T&A DSD DAC and use HQP to upsample to 512DSD. Don't drive yourself crazy trying all kinds of combinations as it won't work without the horsepower.

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    The Tiki is EXTREMELY quiet and it works flawlessly, has a great footprint and I run a curious cable direct out from the USB port into a JCAT Intona and it sounds amazing.

    The only problem will be with this computer is if you want to use it direct to the DAC and want a dedicated USB audiophile card, you can't add it.

    In any case, my ultimate recommendation is to use it as your "server" for Roon and if you are running HQPlayer, run it on the Tiki as well, let all the processing occur on the Tiki and use the HQP NAA on a dedicated device (small fanless computer or microRendu, etc) connected to your DAC and all is great.

    OR your can drive yourself crazy and build your own which personally after doing so many times in the past and banging my head against the wall and wasting so much time, I have decided I will no longer do.

    The other benefit of the Tiki is it gives you a great desktop for all other tasks, including photo editing, etc and I have actually upsampled to 512DSD from 44/16 while using Photoshop, etc and not a single dropout.

    I would recommend the 1080 for the difference in price over the 1070.

    That's my take. After futzing around so much to get it to work with "fanless" computers and slower processors I gave up and instead of tweaking just went with the Northwest Tiki and never looked back.

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    Re: Roon

    I have Roon running as a headless server connected directly to my DAC. I do not use HQ Player however. I have heard that doing on the fly conversions does take some serious power. My server has the power I just don't have the desire for HQ Player. I also use a Surface Pro tablet as my controller.

    One thought, you mentioned that your issue is with DSD256 files. I play DSD256 files perfectly thru my system, therefore I am wondering what drivers you are using. Many times DAC manufactures include a couple different drivers. DSD256 does not work with DoP drivers, which is the standard install for most DACs. DSD256 requires "Native" drivers, sometimes referred to as ASIO drivers. Please make sure this is what you are using.

    By the way, I also have a Tiki. Originally bought as a gaming PC, but I re-purpose it as a music server, taking out video card and spinning drives, etc. Falcon Northwest probably make the best custom PCs on the planet. My wife and I have bought 8 over the years. Be aware, they are very expensive computers, but you get the best in both machine and service! Probably overkill as a dedicated music server . Also, realize that the high end graphic cards are exclusively for video and gaming and have no baring on music, or desktop apps for that matter. I had a Nvidia GTX980 in my Tiki (the best available at the time, love Nvidia). When making it a music server I took the graphics card out. What is built in to the Intel CPU is fine for the purpose. As a headless server I do not even have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. hooked to it. I use Remote Desktop to perform any maintenance or file copying tasks.

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    Re: Roon

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    DSD256 does not work with DoP drivers, which is the standard install for most DACs. DSD256 requires "Native" drivers, sometimes referred to as ASIO drivers. Please make sure this is what you are using.
    That's not true. DSD256 DOP is possible if your DAC is capable of doing 768kHz PCM via USB. Native isn't necessarily required.

    DSD512 absolutely requires Native as there is no such thing as 1536kHz PCM out there yet.

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    Ok, then maybe I am wrong. I have always heard and been told that Native drivers are required for DSD256 and up. Also one reason that DSD128 was always the max for a Mac computer. This has been the case on every DAC I have owned. Not many DACs support 768khz PCM. I have never had one ...
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    Re: Roon

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Ok, then maybe I am wrong. I have always heard and been told that Native drivers are required for DSD256 and up. Also one reason that DSD128 was always the max for a Mac computer. This has been the case on every DAC I have owned. Not many DACs support 768khz PCM. I have never had one ...
    I'm going a little off topic now but there are a few out there MSB dacs, RME ADI 2 Pro, Chord Dave to name a few. It seems to be the new it thing.

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    And also a very expensive thing ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I have Roon running as a headless server connected directly to my DAC. I do not use HQ Player however. I have heard that doing on the fly conversions does take some serious power. My server has the power I just don't have the desire for HQ Player. I also use a Surface Pro tablet as my controller.

    One thought, you mentioned that your issue is with DSD256 files. I play DSD256 files perfectly thru my system, therefore I am wondering what drivers you are using. Many times DAC manufactures include a couple different drivers. DSD256 does not work with DoP drivers, which is the standard install for most DACs. DSD256 requires "Native" drivers, sometimes referred to as ASIO drivers. Please make sure this is what you are using.

    By the way, I also have a Tiki. Originally bought as a gaming PC, but I re-purpose it as a music server, taking out video card and spinning drives, etc. Falcon Northwest probably make the best custom PCs on the planet. My wife and I have bought 8 over the years. Be aware, they are very expensive computers, but you get the best in both machine and service! Probably overkill as a dedicated music server . Also, realize that the high end graphic cards are exclusively for video and gaming and have no baring on music, or desktop apps for that matter. I had a Nvidia GTX980 in my Tiki (the best available at the time, love Nvidia). When making it a music server I took the graphics card out. What is built in to the Intel CPU is fine for the purpose. As a headless server I do not even have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. hooked to it. I use Remote Desktop to perform any maintenance or file copying tasks.

    If you use HQP the video card provides computing power that helps in the 512 oversampling DSD realm.

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    Re: Roon

    Sorry I meant to add I am not currently using HQ Player. I tried but the laptop definitely doesn't have the muscle for that. Thanks for everyone's ideas and help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priaptor View Post
    If you use HQP the video card provides computing power that helps in the 512 oversampling DSD realm.
    HQP uses Cuda cores? My DAC maximum is DSD256 anyway ...
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    Re: Roon

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    HQP uses Cuda cores? My DAC maximum is DSD256 anyway ...
    As you can see specified on the HQPlayer website:

    System requirements, CUDA offload:


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    Nice!
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    Re: Roon

    Quote Originally Posted by nc42acc View Post
    I am currently running Roon on a Asus laptop with an Intel Core i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz CPU. It does OK but it will not run HQ Player and sometimes has trouble with DSD256 material. What would be my best option for running Roon in my system? Thanks in advance for everyones help.

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    Re: Roon

    I am running Roon on a USB3.0 connected 60 Euro SSD on my QNAP TVS-471 NAS. I am using the Sonore SonicOrbiter from only USD 298 as Roon Ready endpoint to stream RAAT and it sounds amazingly good! It runs smoothly without a single issue since January.
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    Re: Roon

    Running Roon on a suitable server with a Roon Ready endpoint is not very processor intensive. Now try to do so with HQPlayer performing high rate DSD conversions with their top filtering algorithms and that's another story entirely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glareskin View Post
    I am running Roon on a USB3.0 connected 60 Euro SSD on my QNAP TVS-471 NAS. I am using the Sonore SonicOrbiter from only USD 298 as Roon Ready endpoint to stream RAAT and it sounds amazingly good! It runs smoothly without a single issue since January.
    I have to say, I have yet to be enamored with Roon direct to my microRendu or any other endpoint. Roon + HQPlayer upsampled to 512DSD however, is just awesome, assuming your DAC can handle it.

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    Re: Roon

    The few times I got HQ Player upsampling DSD512 into the T&A DAC8 it was excellent. Maybe an 8 core Intel Xeon machine with 32GB of ram and a SSD drive?
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    Re: Roon

    To do DSD512 with poly-sinc-xtr I believe Jussi recommends an i7-6950X with 32GB of fast RAM in Quad channel configuration and a 1080GTX GPU.

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    HAs someone tried to run ROON Server directly on a Microsoft Surface Pro ( Windows 10, Core i7, 16 Gb RAM &... 1 Tb SSD + MicroSDXC reader = 1,25 Tb) ?

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    I use my Surface Pro only as a Roon controller. At one point in time I was using it as a music server directly to my DAC. At that time I was running JRiver. I could never go back to JRiver after Ron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I use my Surface Pro only as a Roon controller. At one point in time I was using it as a music server directly to my DAC. At that time I was running JRiver. I could never go back to JRiver after Ron.
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    JRivers is what I used for the short time I used the Surface as a server. Since getting Roon I have had server installed on the machine that I configured as a headless music server and have had Roon controller installed on the Surface.
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