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April 26, 2017, 08:51 AM #1
Roon
I am currently running Roon on a Asus laptop with an Intel Core i7-6700HQ 2.6GHz CPU. It does OK but it will not run HQ Player and sometimes has trouble with DSD256 material. What would be my best option for running Roon in my system? Thanks in advance for everyones help.
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April 26, 2017, 08:53 AM #2
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Marty - I'm curious to see the answers too.
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April 26, 2017, 09:25 AM #3
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I have been going back and forth between running Roon and Sooloos with the Roon core on my current MacBook Pro 2.6 i7 with zero issues but I am not using HQ player. If you haven't already spent time on the Roon board there is a dedicated HQ Player category. Here is the link. Sorry if you have already perused those posts.
https://community.roonlabs.com/c/aud...ucts/hq-playerJim
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April 26, 2017, 09:41 AM #4
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Re: Roon
I agree with Still-One. It sounds to me that your issue is not running Roon but actually running HQ Player. You should check the HQ Player community in Roon as Still-One suggested.
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April 26, 2017, 10:24 AM #5
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How much ram? You need at least 8GB, 16 better
SSD HD pretty much a necessity
If u want to run HQ Player probably need to disable everything else on laptop, except roon of course
How do u access ur music files?
Also check out the "rock" thread on the roon site....u might want to go this route which is going to be a dedicated solution
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April 26, 2017, 11:36 AM #6
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A dedicated machine is your best option for Roon Core and/or HQ Player. If upsampling to DSD256 in HQPlayer you will want a rather beefy machine. My i7 3770 can't do it on it's own with the heavier filters, I need to engage Cuda and use my 1080TI GPU.
In most cases the full blow Roon install and HQPlayer don't play very well together on the same machine but the less intensive Roon Core & HQ Player will work well with a beefy machine.
I'd build the following:
Intel i7 7700
16GB Ram
256GB SSD m.2
Nvidia 1070GTX
It would be able to run Roon Core and HQPlayer and upsample to DSD256 with the heavy HQPlayer filters with Cuda engaged. A nice NAA or Roon endpoint like the sMS-200 would be needed at your DAC.
If you want to DSD512 with HQPlayer you need an even beefier dedicated machine just for HQPlayer.
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April 26, 2017, 12:52 PM #7
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Agree.
I use Roon strictly for my headphone system which consists of T&A DSD DAC and use HQP to upsample to 512DSD. Don't drive yourself crazy trying all kinds of combinations as it won't work without the horsepower.
I just went out and got a Northwest Falcon Tiki, at:
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with the 6700K processor, now the 7700K processor. The guys at Sound Galleries found the 6700k to be the best "sonically" even better than they super expensive processor, so no need to go to the highest end processor.
The Tiki is EXTREMELY quiet and it works flawlessly, has a great footprint and I run a curious cable direct out from the USB port into a JCAT Intona and it sounds amazing.
The only problem will be with this computer is if you want to use it direct to the DAC and want a dedicated USB audiophile card, you can't add it.
In any case, my ultimate recommendation is to use it as your "server" for Roon and if you are running HQPlayer, run it on the Tiki as well, let all the processing occur on the Tiki and use the HQP NAA on a dedicated device (small fanless computer or microRendu, etc) connected to your DAC and all is great.
OR your can drive yourself crazy and build your own which personally after doing so many times in the past and banging my head against the wall and wasting so much time, I have decided I will no longer do.
The other benefit of the Tiki is it gives you a great desktop for all other tasks, including photo editing, etc and I have actually upsampled to 512DSD from 44/16 while using Photoshop, etc and not a single dropout.
I would recommend the 1080 for the difference in price over the 1070.
That's my take. After futzing around so much to get it to work with "fanless" computers and slower processors I gave up and instead of tweaking just went with the Northwest Tiki and never looked back.
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April 26, 2017, 02:00 PM #8
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I have Roon running as a headless server connected directly to my DAC. I do not use HQ Player however. I have heard that doing on the fly conversions does take some serious power. My server has the power I just don't have the desire for HQ Player. I also use a Surface Pro tablet as my controller.
One thought, you mentioned that your issue is with DSD256 files. I play DSD256 files perfectly thru my system, therefore I am wondering what drivers you are using. Many times DAC manufactures include a couple different drivers. DSD256 does not work with DoP drivers, which is the standard install for most DACs. DSD256 requires "Native" drivers, sometimes referred to as ASIO drivers. Please make sure this is what you are using.
By the way, I also have a Tiki. Originally bought as a gaming PC, but I re-purpose it as a music server, taking out video card and spinning drives, etc. Falcon Northwest probably make the best custom PCs on the planet. My wife and I have bought 8 over the years. Be aware, they are very expensive computers, but you get the best in both machine and service! Probably overkill as a dedicated music server . Also, realize that the high end graphic cards are exclusively for video and gaming and have no baring on music, or desktop apps for that matter. I had a Nvidia GTX980 in my Tiki (the best available at the time, love Nvidia). When making it a music server I took the graphics card out. What is built in to the Intel CPU is fine for the purpose. As a headless server I do not even have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc. hooked to it. I use Remote Desktop to perform any maintenance or file copying tasks.
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April 26, 2017, 02:19 PM #9
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April 26, 2017, 02:29 PM #10
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Ok, then maybe I am wrong. I have always heard and been told that Native drivers are required for DSD256 and up. Also one reason that DSD128 was always the max for a Mac computer. This has been the case on every DAC I have owned. Not many DACs support 768khz PCM. I have never had one ...
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April 26, 2017, 02:56 PM #11
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April 26, 2017, 03:02 PM #12
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And also a very expensive thing ...
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April 26, 2017, 06:40 PM #13
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April 26, 2017, 08:07 PM #14
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Sorry I meant to add I am not currently using HQ Player. I tried but the laptop definitely doesn't have the muscle for that. Thanks for everyone's ideas and help.
Marty
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April 26, 2017, 10:38 PM #15McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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April 27, 2017, 09:08 AM #16
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As you can see specified on the HQPlayer website:
System requirements, CUDA offload:
- NVIDIA GPU
- Minimum Compute Capability level 3.0
- Latest NVIDIA drivers
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April 27, 2017, 09:15 AM #17
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Nice!
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April 27, 2017, 10:05 AM #18
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April 27, 2017, 05:21 PM #19
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I am running Roon on a USB3.0 connected 60 Euro SSD on my QNAP TVS-471 NAS. I am using the Sonore SonicOrbiter from only USD 298 as Roon Ready endpoint to stream RAAT and it sounds amazingly good! It runs smoothly without a single issue since January.
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April 27, 2017, 06:45 PM #20
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Running Roon on a suitable server with a Roon Ready endpoint is not very processor intensive. Now try to do so with HQPlayer performing high rate DSD conversions with their top filtering algorithms and that's another story entirely!
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April 28, 2017, 10:41 AM #21
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April 28, 2017, 03:33 PM #22
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The few times I got HQ Player upsampling DSD512 into the T&A DAC8 it was excellent. Maybe an 8 core Intel Xeon machine with 32GB of ram and a SSD drive?
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April 28, 2017, 04:09 PM #23
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To do DSD512 with poly-sinc-xtr I believe Jussi recommends an i7-6950X with 32GB of fast RAM in Quad channel configuration and a 1080GTX GPU.
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June 10, 2017, 08:51 PM #24
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HAs someone tried to run ROON Server directly on a Microsoft Surface Pro ( Windows 10, Core i7, 16 Gb RAM &... 1 Tb SSD + MicroSDXC reader = 1,25 Tb) ?
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June 11, 2017, 11:27 AM #25
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I use my Surface Pro only as a Roon controller. At one point in time I was using it as a music server directly to my DAC. At that time I was running JRiver. I could never go back to JRiver after Ron.
McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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June 11, 2017, 03:01 PM #26
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On the Go: A&K SP1000 > Shure KSE 1500
At home : ARIES > Denafrips Terminator R2R DAC > BHSE > STAX SR009
-> for sale : Piano Forte PFVIII, Eddie Current 445 tube Amp (with many different tubes).
Review Chord MOJO v/s HUGO et WooAudio WA8 v/s TU-05 & HUGO
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June 11, 2017, 03:30 PM #27
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JRivers is what I used for the short time I used the Surface as a server. Since getting Roon I have had server installed on the machine that I configured as a headless music server and have had Roon controller installed on the Surface.
McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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