Magico S3 mk2

[GSOphile]

Did they start to give the # to pairs, instead of individual speakers ? All the Magicos speaker that I owned (and I had alredy 3 pairs: S5 > S5 mk 2 > M3) had individual, consecutive serial # 111/112, 385/386 etc.

I have #13 & 14 S3 Mk II pair.

[walesi]

They do number the speakers, not pairs. Mine are #73/74.

our local dealer has S3 mk 1 #007/008

[Mike]

I must have 1 and 2. Damn, never looked at the other one.


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[walesi]

Yay, so you have The Very First Ones!

Thought Magico would have kept the #1 /2 for themselves.

[Mike]

Yay, so you have The Very First Ones!

Thought Magico would have kept the #1 /2 for themselves.

I ordered them the second they were announced as I figured the S3 was already so good that the mk2 was going to be even better - and I haven't been disappointed. They really get out of their own way with that narrow front baffle and disappear. Bass is superb even in my 19 x 25 showroom.


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[brodricj]

Yay, so you have The Very First Ones!

Thought Magico would have kept the #1 /2 for themselves.

I could be wrong, but Magico get serial number 000. I saw a photo of a Magico speaker on static display with 000 for a serial number (from what I could tell).

[Melbguy1]

I could be wrong, but Magico get serial number 000. I saw a photo of a Magico speaker on static display with 000 for a serial number (from what I could tell).

In Australia, 000 is the number you call for a Paramedic!

[Kuoppis]

I ordered them the second they were announced as I figured the S3 was already so good that the mk2 was going to be even better - and I haven't been disappointed. They really get out of their own way with that narrow front baffle and disappear. Bass is superb even in my 19 x 25 showroom.


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I am so much looking forward to mine, two more weeks.


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[kzhtoo]

I think I need to block this thread

[byrdparis]

I am so much looking forward to mine, two more weeks.


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me too... hopping it will in fact deliver in two weeks.... it has been from early April in my case.

[Kuoppis]

I think I need to block this thread

You can run, but you can never hide .


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[Mike]

Video of the S3 mk2 shot in 8K:

https://www.facebook.com/MagicoLLC/v...1799055867213/


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[Mike]

https://vimeo.com/222919880?ref=em-share


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[walesi]

Well, you sure don't buy it for the looks.

[walesi]

Btw Mike, what is yor guess, when do we see a S in CF?

[Mike]

Btw Mike, what is yor guess, when do we see a S in CF?

S in CF?


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[walesi]

well, now that Magico invests in carbon fibre technology, it might make sense to go totally in carbon fibre enclosures, including the S-series/whatever they choose to call it.

[Mike]

well, now that Magico invests in carbon fibre technology, it might make sense to go totally in carbon fibre enclosures, including the S-series/whatever they choose to call it.

Hmmm. I can only guess cost has something to do with it. But, who knows?


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[walesi]

It would make perfect sense now that I have paid my mk2:s

[Mike]

It would make perfect sense now that I have paid my mk2:s

I think it's wishful thinking for now. You're going to love the S3 mk2's. I love how they disappear. The narrow baffle and overall cabinet helps with this.


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[walesi]

Yes, for the time being it is. And, the mk 2:s being as good as they are, who cares

[Mike]

Yes, for the time being it is. And, the mk 2:s being as good as they are, who cares

I agree! They were sounding so good at Munich too. You couldn't get in the room!


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[walesi]

I know! Good I was there in thursday, too.

[walesi]

Oh, I almost forgot to ask. Has someone got a picture of the "cardboard box" package some of the S3 mk 2s have come in?

[Mike]

Oh, I almost forgot to ask. Has someone got a picture of the "cardboard box" package some of the S3 mk 2s have come in?

Did you get M Cast or M Coat?


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[walesi]

M cast.

[Mike]

M cast.

Ok, I don't have a picture of the box. The M Coat's came in wooden crates.


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[Kuoppis]

I am delighted they come in cardboard boxes now, the one big wooden monster for the S3 mk1 was a real pain to store.


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[byrdparis]

I am delighted they come in cardboard boxes now, the one big wooden monster for the S3 mk1 was a real pain to store.


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also to travel three storeys up the stairs...
i also ordered the m cast and hoped it will be in cardboard boxes and not that Huge wooden crates.
(it also lowered the shipping fees a bit)

[brodricj]

I am delighted they come in cardboard boxes now, the one big wooden monster for the S3 mk1 was a real pain to store.

True. But when you go to sell your S3 mk1 to upgrade to something else in the Magico stable you'll be glad you did store that one big wooden monster, as painful as it was to store.

[Kuoppis]

That's what I did, and still happy I don't have to do it again.


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[walesi]

This is a bit off-topic perhaps. Mike, could you comment the S3/2 versus M3 sonically, now that you have experienced both of them? TIA.

[Mike]

This is a bit off-topic perhaps. Mike, could you comment the S3/2 versus M3 sonically, now that you have experienced both of them? TIA.

I'm not sure it's even fair to compare given that the S3 mk2's are $28,000 and the M3's (with MPOD's) are ~$85,000. But I will tell you that the M series sounds nothing like the S series, nor the Q series. As much as a departure in sound as the S series was from the Q series, the M series is much more so.

The S series brought many new fans into the Magico camp. The M series sound doubles that and then some. I can't tell you the number of people who first listened to the M3's and said, "oh, I once heard those Q5's. I wasn't really a fan. But these are awesome. I love these." They truly do not sound anything alike (Q v S v M). The Carbon Fiber in the M series has a sound all on its own and a measured ability to bring even more detail and nuances out of the music. When I saw him this week, Alon explained at length some of the lower distortion measured benefits of using carbon fiber, combined with the SOTA M series drivers and overall cabinet construction. But it's also very expensive to build.

On the bass front, the S3 mk2 produces *more* bass. The M3 has the edge for bass definition. The S3 mk2 has a slightly airier, fleet of foot sound, whereas the M3 has better coherence and weight. Both equally disappear well. Both are equally easy to drive. Both work great in small, medium or medium-large rooms. Both have great seamless sounds between the midrange and tweeter. They both produce that great Magico bass. If you're coming from another speaker where you are use to the puffy sounding "WOOF WOOF WOOF" ported bass, you may think there is "less bass", but the reality is, you are for the first time hearing REAL bass with a Magico. Better defined bass. Bass where you can follow along with the actual bass notes.

They are both excellent in their respective price brackets and I would be happy to own either one depending on my budget.

[The Sandman]

...I will tell you that the M series sounds nothing like the S series, nor the Q series.

I get where you're coming from Mike, but I disagree... to a degree at least. The M, Q, and S series do sound different from each other, but they are all recognizable as having a "Magico sound" that is different from virtually all other brands of speakers.

[walesi]

TY Mike! I don't expect to get M3 sound for S3 money, but it was good to hear your opinion. I'm trying to find a dealer who has demo M3:s, just to hear them. None in Finland, I have to see what Sweden and Norway have to offer. Germany perhaps?

[Kuoppis]

The Carbon Fiber in the M series has a sound all on its own and a measured ability to bring even more detail and nuances out of the music.

I think Alon is a little late to the party trying to introduce carbon fibre as something novel. The material has been around for ages and has been used for years by Wilson Benesch and many others.



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[Mike]

I think Alon is a little late to the party trying to introduce carbon fibre as something novel. The material has been around for ages and has been used for years by Wilson Benesch and many others.



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That's true. I don't think he's claiming to be the first, just always finding new ways to improve Magico products. I would be curious to know how Magico is using Carbon Fibre vs others. For example, a complete wrap vs just sides, etc.

[Mike]

TY Mike! I don't expect to get M3 sound for S3 money, but it was good to hear your opinion. I'm trying to find a dealer who has demo M3:s, just to hear them. None in Finland, I have to see what Sweden and Norway have to offer. Germany perhaps?

Not sure. I hope you get to hear them one day. I can't wait to hear the M6's.

[Kuoppis]

That's true. I don't think he's claiming to be the first, just always finding new ways to improve Magico products. I would be curious to know how Magico is using Carbon Fibre vs others. For example, a complete wrap vs just sides, etc.

Isn't WB also using a monocoque approach, like Magico now in the M6?


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[walesi]

I hope HighEnd 2018 brings us the M6

[kzhtoo]

I hope HighEnd 2018 brings us the M6

Naw..Suncoast Audio will have m6 before HighEnd 2018 happens.

[LVB]

I get where you're coming from Mike, but I disagree... to a degree at least. The M, Q, and S series do sound different from each other, but they are all recognizable as having a "Magico sound" that is different from virtually all other brands of speakers.

+1.

[LVB]

I think Alon is a little late to the party trying to introduce carbon fibre as something novel. The material has been around for ages and has been used for years by Wilson Benesch and many others.



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We had this conversation already... Although I wrote this about Marten, it still holds for WB (see below). Unlike Marten, WB actually do describe, in details, how they build their carbon profiles, it is more similar to the Marten, still a sandwich but with a thicker core. It is very different then what Magico is doing in the M6 (it is certainly not a monocoque in the way Magico describes it, i.e "6 sided, seamless, enclosure").

"The use of the word CF can mean many different things, not all CF uses in a product are the same. The only description of Marten construction method that I could find is “The carbon fiber laminate is two layers of carbon sandwiched together with honeycomb Kevlar in between”. That is very different then Magico description of a “0.6” solid carbon body”. A common thickness of one layer of CF is ~0.5mm. In that case, the Magico enclosure will have to be made of 60 layers of CF sheets in comparison to Marten’s 2 layers."

[Melbguy1]

We had this conversation already... Although I wrote this about Marten, it still holds for WB (see below). Unlike Marten, WB actually do describe, in details, how they build their carbon profiles, it is more similar to the Marten, still a sandwich but with a thicker core. It is very different then what Magico is doing in the M6 (it is certainly not a monocoque in the way Magico describes it, i.e "6 sided, seamless, enclosure").

My previous Marten Coltrane Alto's used a carbon composite monocoque enclosure formed in a similar way to a formula one tub. I posted some pics here.

"The use of the word CF can mean many different things, not all CF uses in a product are the same. The only description of Marten construction method that I could find is “The carbon fiber laminate is two layers of carbon sandwiched together with honeycomb Kevlar in between”. That is very different then Magico description of a “0.6” solid carbon body”. A common thickness of one layer of CF is ~0.5mm. In that case, the Magico enclosure will have to be made of 60 layers of CF sheets in comparison to Marten’s 2 layers."

I'm not a fabricator, but how do you deduce from "0.6" what metric they're referring to? From a purely layman's perspective, that could mean 0.6mm, 0.6cm or even 0.6in. Has anyone bothered to fact check this with Magico?

[LVB]

From the M6 PR - "half-inch carbon fibre" (Sorry, for the misplaced quotation marks)

[Mike]

Interesting. Given it's sonic properties, I'm all in.

And I respectively don't agree that the M series sounds anything like the Q or S. To my ears, the M series is a quantum leap forward over the Q. And the S7/Sx mk2 series is freaking killer good.

When I had the M3's in my home, it was some of the most enjoyable, emotionally engaging listening I have ever had in nearly 40 years.

I'm afraid for my wallet to hear the M6's. If they sound as good as they look, game over. Yes, yes, yes I want a pair!


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[Melbguy1]

From the M6 PR - "half-inch carbon fibre" (Sorry, for the misplaced quotation marks)

Thanks for the clarification LVB. That confirms for me that S series models are likely to continue to be made with extruded alu cabinets for the foreseeable future, which is fine by me. Even the M3's cabinet design would roughly double the cost of an S3/S5 Mk2.

Btw, from memory the Marten Coltrane Alto's carbon monocoque cabinet had a 1/2" thick front to increase rigidity & damping. From my basic knock tests, I can attest to that claim.

[walesi]

Naw..Suncoast Audio will have m6 before HighEnd 2018 happens.

I´m sure Mike will, but for us Europeans that might be the first chance. Well, you never know about Norway tho

[Melbguy1]

I´m sure Mike will, but for us Europeans that might be the first chance. Well, you never know about Norway tho

The Norwegians have a natural advantage though...

[walesi]

That or M6? That or M6?