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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    Sorry to disappoint. They never have manufactured the Be domes themselves. Just like Bugatti (Porsche, Ferrari etc) never manufactured tires themselves.

    While there are about four sources for beryllium worldwide, only one operation can provide beryllium foil in useful thickness for speaker diaphragms, and that is Materion Electrofusion INC.
    Seems to me that I read an article in either SP or TAS years ago that detailed a factory visit to Focal and they talked about where they kept their BeO under lock and key and the machine they used to stamp out the domes. I don't think I dreamed this up and either way I wouldn't be "disappointed" because I have no dog in the fight. Many companies quit working with BeO because it is a carcinogen. So, I hope we aren't confusing the manufacturers of the BeO foil with companies that stamp domes from BeO foil they purchase.
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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    That is ofc a possibility. Although why bother with machining poisonous Be* and stamping their own domes, if your foil supplier can do it for you ? Makes no sense to me.

    *The commercial use of beryllium requires the use of appropriate dust control equipment and industrial controls at all times because of the toxicity of inhaled beryllium-containing dusts that can cause a chronic life-threatening allergic disease in some people called berylliosis.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium
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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    I have the Paradigm Persona 5F at home right now - they are nowhere near Magico S5 mk 2 performance wise (and I assume also Magcio S3 mk 2).
    I am disappointed to hear that the Paradigm Persona 5F are not up to the S5 Mk2 level, they looked promising. Can you elaborate?

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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    The S5 are smoother, have much higher dynamic contrast (which I directly atribute to aluminium enclosure, which is more quiet and leaves less imprint over the music), they image much better, have better resolution through out the range, faster, more articulate bass and much lower reach. There is really no comparo between the two. That said, the Persona 5Fs are almost half the price of the S5 mk 2, so everything have to be put into perspective. It is not a bad speaker. They came after $24k YG Carmel 2s and I certainly enjoy them more.
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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    Would be more comparable to the S3 price, I guess... Maybe Mike can comment on the S5 vs. S3, so we can gage the S3 performance ;-)

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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    The S3 mk2 is more big brother to the S1 mk2 whereas the S5 mk2 is more little brother to the S7.

    The S3 mk2 is everything you love about the S1 mk2 with bass that can punch lower and fill a bigger room.

    The S5 mk2 is everything you love about the S7, but with a little less bass, more budget friendly and still fill a pretty big room.

    The S7 has become a bit forgotten with all the S5 mk2, S3 mk2 talk, but it's the big brother in the series and once you hear it, there is no doubt. It's a big speaker that is seamless and disappears. It can fill the biggest of rooms and can play very very big (and loud).


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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    That is ofc a possibility. Although why bother with machining poisonous Be* and stamping their own domes, if your foil supplier can do it for you ? Makes no sense to me.

    *The commercial use of beryllium requires the use of appropriate dust control equipment and industrial controls at all times because of the toxicity of inhaled beryllium-containing dusts that can cause a chronic life-threatening allergic disease in some people called berylliosis.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryllium
    That's why Focal kept it under lock and key.
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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    I would like to read that factory tour. Or better still ask someone at Focal. The devil is in the details. They might have keep the assy room under lock and key, not necessarely had the Be manufacturing site.

    You know what - I will email Focal and ask
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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    With a quick search I was able to find a clear and definitive statement confirming the in-house manufacturing of Focal's beryllium tweeters in the What Hi-Fi? review of the Focal Diablo Utopia, with the applicable quote excerpt:

    "Beryllium is rarely used in hi-fi because of difficulty in manufacturing caused by its toxic nature. But Focal has put a great deal of effort into overcoming these issues, and ended up with a wonderfully clean and detailed performer.

    Unlike many rivals – who buy in drive units from OEM suppliers – Focal designs and makes all its drivers in-house. This allows the company to optimise each unit for the speaker it goes into. This is one of the very best tweeters that money can buy."

    Now I expect that some will speculate that it could mean they make the driver in-house from a dome that they source elsewhere, but I think the statement is pretty clear in its intended meaning. I don't own Focal speakers or have any vested interest in this, just trying to help find the truth.

    You can read the full review at http://www.whathifi.com/focal/diablo-utopia/review

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    Re: Magico S3 mk2

    I see nothing in the text you quoted that would suggest they manufacture the berilium domes in-house.

    Scan Speak or Seas also manufacture their drive units in-house, and yet they buy diaphragms, suspension and surrounds from companies like Materion Electrofusion INC or Dr. Kurt Mueller GMBH.

    In keeping with the motoring example - Porsche builds their engines in-house, but they still source spark plugs from Bosch, pistons from Mahle, turbos from Borg, PDK transmission from ZF etc.
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