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March 28, 2017, 09:20 PM #101My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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March 28, 2017, 09:55 PM #102
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As a matter of fact, yes.
Two JA quotes from the review:
"When you buy a pair of Wilson Audio Specialties loudspeakers, the retailer will install them in your home and perform that fine-tuning. In my case, Wilson's Peter McGrath did the deed."
"If I were to retire tomorrow, the Wilson Alexia would be the speaker I would buy to provide the musical accompaniment to that retirement."
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March 28, 2017, 09:55 PM #103
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I guess speaker measurements matters ..
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March 28, 2017, 10:04 PM #104
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Looks like he did a lousy job.
You should read the S5 review, he said the same thing on the S5 (and the Vivid), plus "My measurements of Magico's S5 Mk.II reveal it to be a superbly well-engineered loudspeaker", something he just couldn't say about the Alexia.
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March 28, 2017, 10:14 PM #105
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I disagree with your view that no amp or cable change will make a difference to the M3's bass. I think the issue here is timing. As I said earlier...
That is because while the speakers are still running in, the bass drivers are still tight and the x-over parts are still burning in, hence you won't be able to properly assess the impact of any change of amps or cables at this point.
Using fully run in speakers as a reference, I've heard Vitus SM-011 mono's compared to my SIA-025. The mono's had notably better bass control/slam than my integrated (which is no slouch!). The SM-011 mono's also sounded more neutral in tonal balance.
Re: cables, my friend tested Siltech Triple Crown sc's in his $350k system. His conclusion was they have "tremendous bass, ultimate resolution and pinpoint imaging and image depth". He went on to say "you just hear and feel this wave of bass," So I think cables matter and can definitely influence the sound.
Fyi, I asked Mark Jones from Audio by Mark Jones about the differences b/w the S7 & S5 Mk2 and he said the S7 has a slight edge in bass prentation, but interestingly he felt that the S5 Mk2 has slightly better sound staging/imaging due to the Mk2's machined 3D convex top plate which reduces diffraction and vertical standing waves. But that's another story.
I agree with you however that going back to the Alexia makes no sense.
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March 28, 2017, 10:15 PM #106
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LVB , Do you know If JA used the same smoothing and sampling rate on both speakers , the Magico's do measure well , also i think i now know why Alon wont provide multiple binding post ..
BTW , You would have to measure both speakers accordingly to really compare graphs, but historically Magico's do measure better , but hey , Measurements tells us nothing , right..? You still have to buy , trial and error , move this , amp that , because sometimes there's no Bass ...
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March 28, 2017, 10:29 PM #107
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It sure looks like the same smoothing on both speakers (I believe he is using an analog rig to measure so sampling rate is not relevant). You don't need to compare the two to see which is better engineered. You can buy whatever you like, that is a whole different story, but some speakers are (much) better engineered then others.
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March 28, 2017, 10:41 PM #108
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Well Yeah the sample rate is necessary and the magico is full gated down to 300 hz with a lot of smoothing, he then measures the woofers in their pressure zones ( dust cap ) cut and splice. The WA are measured gated , individually , cut and spliced , he measures woofers and the ports the same and here in is the likkle devil in the details and where most give him grief, it creates the unnecessary trough where the port transition to the woofer most likely due to phase and scaling.
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By providing one set of binding post , Alon is forcing those who measure to measure his tweeter/mid/mid bass as a whole down to their gating limit, no splicing , looks real good that way. Now if JA were to drag these two outside and do GP measurements or open field measurements we would get a better picture of what each speakers looks like without the silly gating and splicing.
I would also like to see Phase on those FR graphs and i notice you did not include the step response..
But yeah it's all good ...
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It would be nice if the y-axis was the same on both in-room FR graphs...
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March 28, 2017, 11:33 PM #112
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It's actually not good. What's all that gibberish has to do with off-axis and room response (I get it you know how to measure loudspeakers, bravo). There are so many mistakes in what you just wrote that I will just opt out on this one... In the mean time I would recommend reading JA article on how he measures loudspeakers.
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March 28, 2017, 11:48 PM #113
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There's nothing like Wilson and Magico going at it.
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March 29, 2017, 12:21 AM #114
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When I started this thread, I had no intention of starting a Wilson vs Magico debate, but
Barry posted that he was having trouble getting his new M3s to work as well in his room as the WA Alexias they replaced.....and we were off to the races.
As I've posted, I don't own either brand.
Hopefully, the discussion has helped Barry.
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March 29, 2017, 12:45 AM #115
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Well regardless of all the chest pumping that has gone on the last couple of days Barry is the one on the hook for over $70k for a speaker that he believes doesn't work in his room. How much of that issue is the result of the room or the speaker design differences can be argued forever but it doesn't help Barry. If Barry didn't communicate the possible difficulties of his room or the dealer didn't take them into account at this point is mute. The question is how can Barry and the dealer work the problem out so neither one of them gets stuck. If the dealer has a waiting list for the M3 then the problem is easily resolved. If not then it becomes more difficult. I don't think any dealer would or should have to eat a $70,000 speaker return because it didn't work out unless that was part of the original agreement for purchase. So instead of the "fans" arguing constantly about whose is better how about we help Barry try to resolve his issue without spending another $50,000 or more on your preferred amps and cables. Novel ideal I know.
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March 29, 2017, 01:12 AM #116
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That is an overly simplistic and wildly generalized commentary which only diminishes the many worthwhile contributions to this thread, some of which took hours of research and fact-checking which you seem apparently oblivious to. Summarizing the efforts of senior members who have given many hours of their time to this thread alone instead of their loved ones as "chest pumping" by fan boi's is disrespecful. I for one have a terminally ill mother and don't appreciate my time and effort being dismissed as "chest pumping" and being "unhelpful" which ever way you want to spin it.
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March 29, 2017, 01:19 AM #117
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You're free to take it however you choose and as the opinion of another senior member who thinks that the constant justification of personal purchase choices in threads gets old. And as usual you and the ones with a personal stake only read the parts of a post that gives "fuel" to your next post.
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And another one checks in. Even though he said he was walking away.
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I appreciate the thoughts and advice. I'm only slightly disappointed so far, but in the big scheme of life,this is a fixable problem. If the M3 doesn't work out in time,Im confident I can find an equitable solution with my dealer. FYI, someone from Wilson informed me that the Alexia may get an upgrade later this year. Perhaps another reason to hear the S7 if necessary.
A dear friend of mine lost a family member tonight which kind of puts high end audio in its proper perspective.
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March 29, 2017, 04:22 AM #121
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I agree, your M3's will need atleast 400hrs to be mostly played in. During that process the bass should open up and become more solid. At that point you and your Dealer can dial in a final speaker position which should further improve the bottom end.
If in the end you're still unhappy with the M3's in your medium-large size room, yes I'd agree the S7's would be the closest Magico speaker within your budget in size and bass output to the Alexia's. If you go down that road, my only suggestion would be to get the optional M Pods which are awesome as I'm sure you're already aware.
With the above said, I'm sorry to hear your sad news. I'm dealing with similar issues close to home, and it is difficult and humbling. Take care bro.Last edited by Melbguy1; March 29, 2017 at 04:26 AM. Reason: typo
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March 29, 2017, 06:45 AM #122
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Ok , so i get it , you dont understand what was written nor do you see the Irony in your responses...
Please take a look at the -6 db points on Both , now do you see Kippyy's issue , i will give you a hint it's not the off axis response, but i do understand your position , some of us are trying to help Kippyy and you Magico ..
BTW no Dog in this fight , they are all laterals IMO, i dont get why the obligatory disrespect is necessary, if a forum member wants to get A Kulamazoo 1000 because his Magico or WA is not working , the focus should be to help with his Kulamazoo , well it is for me , this constant carping about bad bass or his wanting of more boomy bass is beyond the pale, it's petty, disrespectful and condescending ....
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Sorry to be late to this thread, but I will share my experience with M3s and VAC 200iQ.
After several hundred hours, I was NOT happy with the sound. Sounded brighter and more "top down" than my Q3s. I was ready to look for another amp, probably SS, to get more bass and mid bass.
At the time I was using Synergistic Galileo speaker cables and Synergistic Element CTS RCA interconnects. My dealer had some used Galileo balanced interconnects and I wanted to try Galileo interconnects. I was gobsmacked. The bass, mid bass and warmth were back and the sound was VERY balanced and natural. This was the M3 sound I had read about and was looking for!
Was it the cable change? More break in? Maybe. All I can say is that the change was immediate and likely due to the cables. Not saying in your system the cabling will transform the sound, but it did seem to in mine (thankfully).Analog source: AMG Viella 12; Ortofon Anna cartridge, van den Hul Crimson Stradivarius XGW
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March 29, 2017, 11:36 AM #125
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DT, that is one sweet system you have there, congrats . Your experience gives credence to my belief that "cables matter" and can have a significant influence on the sound. Thanks for sharing!
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March 29, 2017, 11:38 AM #126
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Dth31 - glad that cables made such a big difference. I'm not surprised because Magico's are so revealing and transparent.
Can you describe the sound of your Ortofon MC Anna? I'm contemplating getting one.
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The other thing I would add is that my expectation of the Galileo interconnects was that the background would be blacker, the soundstage larger, and the detail and layering better. I got that. I did NOT expect to hear any change in the overall tonal balance--so I do not believe there was expectation bias.
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Pre amp: VAC Master with phono
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Read your posts and tell us, both about the irony and the disrespect
There are many ways of being disrespectful, constantly bombarding the threads with “smart” one liners dismissing any technical comments made by others, and in most cases without much cause, is one of them (my post, BTW, was a reply to jap comments about speakers setup, not about helping anyone, I already said earlier that I believe kippyy bought the wrong speakers).
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One of the reasons I don't post much is that I'm not much of a comparor or tweaker. I much prefer to just listen to music!
So I only compared the Master to my previous preamp, which was a VAC Sig MkII, IIRC. I really liked my previous VAC preamp, and thought the Master might sound a little better but never suspected what a HUGE difference there would be. I absolutely LOVED what I was hearing with the Master, and have enjoyed my other VAC components immensely, so I bought it.
As you might guess, one of the things I am experiencing for the first time is how once the system reaches a certain level, E-V-E-R-Y little thing makes a very audible difference. Some may look at that as an apportunity, but I'm struggling with the switching in and out and comparing part of this hobby. Makes my musical enjoyment life better, and harder, at the same time.Analog source: AMG Viella 12; Ortofon Anna cartridge, van den Hul Crimson Stradivarius XGW
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Hi Mike. You might want to look at my reply to Bonzo about what other preamps I compared the VAC Master to. Applies to your question too.
Over the years I have gone from 90% vinyl/10% digital to about 50/50 each to about 10% vinyl/90% digital. Once I got the TotalDac in my previous system (Magico Q3s, VAC Phi200s and VAC pre), digital sounded so good (which to me meant that it had the best qualities of both analog and digital) that when it was time to replace my van den Hul Frog, my standard of comparison became my digital system.
The Anna has all of the qualities of (what I consider to be) very good analog and digital with only a very little extra "analog"-ness to it. But here is where comparisons become important and I can't help too much, at least when it comes to other cartridges.
in my current system, the sound of the Anna is markedly affected by the 12AX7s in the Master phono section. (Same theme: seemingly small changes make big audible changes.) Depending upon what tubes I use in the phonostage, the Anna can sound very different. It's pretty easy to go from too analytical (all Telefunkens) to too warm (all NOS Mullards). I'm currently using a mixture of NOS and new production Mullards. With that combination, the Anna sounds very close to my digital system, perhaps with just a touch more warmth and liquidity-although not much. Whereas before I listened to music I had on vinyl whenever possible (because my ears were very sensitive to "digititis"), now I tend to pick performances I like and don't obsess whether it is vinyl or digital.
May sound like faint praise for the Anna, but considering how much I enjoy my TotalDac, it's actually high praise!Analog source: AMG Viella 12; Ortofon Anna cartridge, van den Hul Crimson Stradivarius XGW
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Pre amp: VAC Master with phono
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Amps: VAC 200iQ monoblocks
Speakers: Magico M3 with MPods
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This is by no means any sort of criticism, but this is what I am trying to avoid in my analogue system, I want them to sound different. And luckily they do .
But I am also intrigued by the Anna, along with a couple other carts (Lyra Etna, Dynavector Te Kaitora Rua).
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Analog source: AMG Viella 12; Ortofon Anna cartridge, van den Hul Crimson Stradivarius XGW
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Speakers: Magico M3 with MPods
Cables: Synergistic Research Galileo SX speaker, phono, analog and digital interconnects
Power products: Synergistic Research Galileo PowerCell SX and Transporter Ultra. Galileo SX and SRX power cords. Keces P3 LPS for cable modem and router.
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March 29, 2017, 03:39 PM #139
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I just ordered this cart this morning:
http://www.analogplanet.com/content/...ond-cantilever
The regular Transfiguration is such a home run. It competes with carts in the $10k range IMO, but does require a long break in.
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March 29, 2017, 03:40 PM #140
MAGICO M3 - Review
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Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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March 29, 2017, 03:43 PM #141
Re: MAGICO M3 - Review
“Life’s too short to listen to bad audio.”
Big rig: Brinkmann Taurus DD TT + 12.1 arm + Lyra Etna Lambda SL MC + HRS M3X2/ Cardas Clear Beyond phono/ Stillpoints LPI/ Brinkmann Edison mk2 phono + RöNT II Tube PS/ Synology NAS with Roon + HD Plex linear PSU + Shunyata HD/ AQ Vodka RJ45 + Aqvox Network Switch SE + AQ Diamond RJ45 into DAC/ Brinkmann Nyquist mk2/ Audionet Humboldt/ Cardas Clear Beyond ICs/ Kharma DB9-S 1.1 LS/ Inakustik Reference LS 4004 AIR/ Audioquest Niagara 5000/ Shunyata Alpha power (HC, Analogue, Digital)/ Finite Elemente Pagode Rack/ Stillpoints Ultra SS/ Vicoustic panels + Stillpoints Aperture II.
Small rig: Naim UnitiServe/ Curious USB/ Tidal/ Linn Klimax DS3/ Shunyata Power cable/ Pass Labs INT-60/ Acoustic Zen Silver Reference II/ HiD Diamond 8/ Harbeth 30.2 40th Anniversary/ Shunyata Venom EU7 & Venom 3 HD.
HP rig: MacBookAir/ Tidal/ Auralic Gemini 2000/ Sbooster LPSU/ Audeze LCD-2 Classic + WyWires Red/ Shunyata HD/ Shunyata Hydra 2/ Shunyata Venom.
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March 29, 2017, 04:29 PM #142
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Cool! I heard the Proteus (orig version) vs Lyra Etna SL and didn't think it was much contest on a Brinkmann Balance despite the huge price difference.
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March 29, 2017, 04:49 PM #143My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481
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March 29, 2017, 05:30 PM #144
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Proteus all day.
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March 29, 2017, 10:26 PM #145
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March 30, 2017, 05:32 AM #146
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Orpheus, Proteus they are quite gems..Even orpheus still sound very good. Low to mid mass tonearms are killer match for those tonearm. I think proteus sound very good on brinkmann tonearm. Lyra etna needs a mid to high mass tonearm. Brinkmann's not the best match. But do not misunderstand, i prefer proteus too. At last tonearm cable is very very important for these two cartridges. Fast cable would reveal everything they got, like odin tonearm cable..
Enjoy the ride Mike...Speakers : Raidho D-3.1 Power : Ypsilon Aelius Mkii Pre : Ypsilon PST-100 Mkii Phono : Ypsilon VPS-100 Turntable: Techdas Air Force 2 Tonearm : Graham Phantom Elite Cables : Nordost Odin Tonearm cable, Stage3 Gorgon, Ansuz Tweak : Acoustic Revive RR888, RR777, Ansuz Darkz Adjustable Dtc, Ansuz Cable Lifters Dtc
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March 30, 2017, 11:41 AM #147
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Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12
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March 30, 2017, 03:26 PM #148
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Hi - joined forum when I saw this thread. I just bought the M3s. Driving with Boulder 2060. Bass is very light out of the box. I have 12' x 21' room. Have had the S3 in this room and a number of other speakers. Not up to even S3 bass yet. Clearly the M3s need break in time and, given the stated measurements, I expect the change in bass performance to be fairly drastic over break in period. Ward
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March 31, 2017, 02:55 AM #149
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I am not an expert. All my findings are my experience with different cartridges with different tonearms. Many times, complience calculation did not provide the best match, at least in my trials. 2+2= ? in this hobby Also comparing two different things in an analog setup is not a perfect thing. Everything, i mean every varibale could be same, but two cartridge is never the same, and impossible to mount them exactly the same. Each and every cartridge has its own merits. I believe having two tone arms and having 4 cartridges mean, having 8 system at the same time. Important thing is, each cartridge and tonearm should be player in the same league. Otherwise you only listened the best one. For an example if you have a Lyra Atlas, do not buy Lyra Etna, if you have zyx universe do not buy lyra etna, have atlas and premium. Two of these cartridge may fight each other, none wins. Balance is very important for mutliple tonearm combos....Speakers : Raidho D-3.1 Power : Ypsilon Aelius Mkii Pre : Ypsilon PST-100 Mkii Phono : Ypsilon VPS-100 Turntable: Techdas Air Force 2 Tonearm : Graham Phantom Elite Cables : Nordost Odin Tonearm cable, Stage3 Gorgon, Ansuz Tweak : Acoustic Revive RR888, RR777, Ansuz Darkz Adjustable Dtc, Ansuz Cable Lifters Dtc
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March 31, 2017, 03:29 AM #150
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Sorry I don't understand. If you have Zyx universe, the premium will be better.
Why not have the Etna, but have the atlas?
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