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January 11, 2017, 05:07 AM #1
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MQA what's the big deal?
On different fora I have seen MQA topics explode. Easily reaching 10+ pages.
As far I understand MQA is a bit like a ZIP file so that FLAC streaming takes up less bandwith. Also there is a lot of discussion if MQA is lossless or not.
I have no Tidal, Qobus, or Spotify. Should I care about Tidal at all? Or is it like DSD a lot of hot wind but very little content.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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January 11, 2017, 05:17 AM #2
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
I have most of the streaming services and like each one. If you have not heard dsd done properly, you really need to get a demo. Right now Tidal with a decent selection of MQA titles in addition to the regular cd quality streams is wonderful. Hearing MQA even though the desktop app at 24/96 or slightly below is a treat. If you have already made up your mind, please try and listen or get the free trial.
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January 11, 2017, 06:43 AM #3
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January 11, 2017, 06:55 AM #4
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
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January 11, 2017, 08:37 AM #5
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Okay where are all the 10th of thousands DVD albums? if I may ask. Native DSD has about 1100 albums. HDtracks has maybe a few hundred albums.
Even hires PCM is very rare. I have I guess between 600 and 1200 albums. I doubt there are more then 5 of them available on DSD or more then 50 on 24/192.
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January 11, 2017, 12:56 PM #6
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
Ever heard of a PS3 ripper? Ever heard of vinyl rips? Ever heard of HQP upsampler? Of course you have. DSD is now really a PLAYBACK format. Anything can be PCM or DSD now. The most impressive track I have of the thousands I have is a needle drop at DSD128.
JRiver Catalog says I have about 2 years of continuous listening of my music collection which is about 60% DSD.NORMAN
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January 11, 2017, 02:36 PM #7
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January 11, 2017, 04:06 PM #9
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Re: MQA what's the big deal?
Not wanting to start a format war.
For me DSD a dead format. Yes I have heard of HQP resampler. Vinyl rips and PS3 ripper is new for me. As far as I just read PS3 ripper is for SACDs. Well I never bought any SACDs.
DSD is a niche within a niche within a niche within a niche
audiophile==>into streaming==>into computer audio==>into DSD
My streaming setup is
NAS==>Streamer==>DAC
Since I have a multibit DAC DSD is of no interest to me.
Not saying DSD is bad. Just different compared to PCM. Same when I heard PCM vs MQA just different.Pre amp: Ocatve Phono Module Power amps: Octave MRE130 Turntable: SAC Girati Grande. Tonearm: Dynavector 507mkII Cartridge: Dynavector Ikeda 9TT Streamer: Aurender A10 Power Distributor: Anzus Mains D8 Speakers: Raidho X-3 Speaker Cables: AudioQuest Rocket 88 XLR Interlink: Ansuz A2, [B]XLR Interlink: [B]Phono interlink: Cammino Serie 1.0 - PH 1.0s Power cables: Anzus Mains Ceramic, two Pom, Aluminium, X series Audio Rack: Rack of Silence 4 and 2.
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January 11, 2017, 05:21 PM #10
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
MQA is PCM, only with compression and DSP (to attempt to mimic the original ADC > DAC the artist and mastering engineer heard) applied. It may be a gimick, or it may be a true advance in home audio reproduction of digital recordings (or perhaps both).
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January 11, 2017, 05:26 PM #11
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January 11, 2017, 05:34 PM #12
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January 11, 2017, 05:37 PM #13
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
I want it all. Just like in the cassette days. I want Chrome/metal/ferrous, etc. No restrictions.
My Dac has an R2R PCM converter and 2 dac chipless DSD converters.
MQA is treated PCM, and DXD is ultra hi-rez PCM.
Unless you heard DSD done right, you won't get it. The ready chip approach has disappointed too many people and gave them a false idea. Would you judge PCM by a shitty Dac chip, now that you are used to your multibit converter?NORMAN
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January 11, 2017, 05:48 PM #14
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
Jim
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January 11, 2017, 06:07 PM #15
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January 11, 2017, 06:17 PM #16
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
After a lot of listening to albums of which I also have hi-res downloads, I'm very curious to hear some of them through a MQA-DAC. The MQA files usually sound different (by varying amounts) than the traditional hi-res; if that is improved (rather than just made different) by the final step of having a MQA-DAC, there could be something worthwhile here. It will also be interesting to see if Warner's encodes their entire catalog by this spring, as Stuart claimed they will have done (in an interview last year).
The Mytek Brooklyn is probably very similar to your current DAC (with the addition of MQA), but I'd really like to see a ESS 9038 based MQA-DAC if I'm going to buy a new one.Rob
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January 11, 2017, 07:28 PM #17
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NORMAN
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January 11, 2017, 07:29 PM #18
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NORMAN
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January 11, 2017, 07:53 PM #19
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
Norman
I apologize if I misunderstood your point and took it to mean that you felt DSD "done right" was the pinnacle of digital audio. You have every right to believe that just a I believe PCM and MQA done right take no back seat to DSD.
Like you, I want the choice to pick and choose from all available formats. I have no plans to duplicate my library just because a new format is made available. I will selectivly purchase those I want to own and if Tidal is successful I will have access to unbelievably great sound for those I can live without. This is a great time for music lovers.Jim
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January 11, 2017, 08:07 PM #20
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Question: with Sony records on board, is MQA the final nail in DSD's coffin?
Discuss.
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January 11, 2017, 08:09 PM #21
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January 11, 2017, 08:30 PM #22
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January 11, 2017, 08:34 PM #23
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I guess it all depends on what Sony will bring to the table as far as music from its major labels.
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January 11, 2017, 09:17 PM #24
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I truly love DSD... and tons is available... I have 116 albums downloaded in DSD, 38 DSD SACD disks. Mostly classic rock, folk, jazz vocals, and jazz
My DAC/pre-amp company chooses to only support DSD64, however it incorporates the latest ESS generation of chips, the 9028 Pro. So much better than the 9018. I was actually considering the Brooklyn but decided it did not give me what I needed. Only one analog input, no remote, and using the 9018 mobile version. Since I do not stream MQA was not a big factor for me.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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January 11, 2017, 09:22 PM #25
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January 15, 2017, 10:07 AM #26
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The two are apples and oranges Mike. As we all know, DSD had greater adoption potential than what's been realized. While it is premature to assert, MQA has the potential to be the new standard. I would expect other streaming services to support it (Pandora, Spotify, who knows maybe even Apple) and with the advent of internet radio, I heart radio etc, even radio stations could start "broadcasting" in MQA. Whether this ever actually happens is anyone's guess but the potential is there while it is not with DSD. Lastly, as you know DSD is just that - one needs A DSD dac for playback. MQA is universally compatible so if one does not have a MQA dac, no problem, the file will still play fine. Hope this helps...
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January 15, 2017, 10:20 AM #27
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January 15, 2017, 10:44 AM #29
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Michael Lavorgna (I don't know if this from direct communications with the companies) has posted that Pandora and Rhapsody, as well as Sony, are leaning more towards streaming hi-res FLAC rather than MQA
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January 15, 2017, 10:46 AM #30
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January 15, 2017, 11:09 AM #32
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This is all a bit confusing to the consumer. When it appears that MQA has finally taken its first baby steps to walk on its wobbly legs, now comes a cloud of doubt that it won't be supported by the major labels and they will support hi-rez Flac instead? Why is it that digital music can never get its act together? How many digital formats have we seen come and go over the years because not enough people gave a damn about them or even knew they existed (SACD, HDCD, DVD-A, and on and on)? The digital market place is crowded with how many different versions of digital files?? You have all of the MP3 crap, RBCD, and then all of the attempts to increase the bit depth and resolution from 16/44.1 to 24/192 and beyond. Oh, and whatever happened to My Little Pono starting a digital revolution? There are too many carnival barkers shouting at the unenlightened digital customers and they can't hear over the noise so most of them just stream MP3 and are enjoying their all you can stand low-rez digital buffet. The masses are oblivious to all of the digital formats that have fallen by the wayside and the current attempts to be the best and newest digital format.
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I hear you! Personally I believe MQA has the potential to finally breakthrough. But who knows? Too early to say st this point and many stars would need to align for this to actually occur. Still...it could.
Mike L may likely have some information we don't but let's be very careful not to carry this thread forward accepting this tidbit as gospel - at least without further clarification/verification.
Your points are well made. In my opinion the time is right for a new format to stick and take hold.
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January 15, 2017, 11:20 AM #34
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
Its not gossip its real news in real print
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January 15, 2017, 11:35 AM #35
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
From the article: "hi-res audio MP3s..." Say what? That's an oxymoron right? And how about this quote to marginalize high rez audio from Chris Martin in the article you linked to: "While not for everyone, Hi-Res music streaming has the potential to engage millions of digital music fans who are seeking a more immersive, studio quality listening experience.” Why shouldn't it be for everyone who gives a damn about listening to music? If I gave you a taste test first and then a choice between eating a filet mignon or eating a hamburger from McDonalds that was cooked 30 minutes ago and was patiently waiting to be served nestled inside a warming tray waiting for a bun and a customer, which are you going to choose?
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January 15, 2017, 11:40 AM #36
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
You missed the article, its saying " digital music's traditionally compressed and largely inferior sound, which stems in part from the way MP3s were designed.", they seem to be moving away from that to something else, whatever that is..
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January 15, 2017, 11:44 AM #37
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
Being able to play MQA on non-MQA certified DACs is not the same thing as listening to it at it's best. I think this is the real point. It appears that according to Meridian if you don't have a MQA certified DAC you will be treated as the redheaded step child. We will let you come to the party, just not be allowed into the "special" room.
Again back to the deep down thing about MQA.... it is in fact PCM but with Meridians "special sauce" for those who buy into their party, so to speak. And again I go back to that anyone I have read doing head to head comparison's, MQA versus high resolution download versions of albums have came away saying that the high resolution is better. High resolution is not much larger file size than MQA and everyone is invited to the party and the can experience the benefits using their current playback software, i.e. JRivers, Roon, etc., not a separate application just to play back their "special" files.
And for purity of sound most people agree that DSD is even better, but is definitely too large for streaming. For us non-streamers file size is fairly irrelevant. And again I will relate back to conversations I have had with an artist who is one of the early MQA adopters. He had also done extensive recording in DSD (I own several of his DSD albums). According to him, DSD is the best sounding digital source but MQA is much easier for streaming or for carrying on a portable. And almost every current DAC has some kind of DSD capability along with PCM, with a few exceptions. So the hardware to play these formats is in the hands of most people who really care.McIntosh C49, MC152, MR85, R778 | T+A DAC 8 DSD | KEF LS50 Meta w/S2, KC62 (x2) | Rega RP8, Ania Pro, NEO PSU | Technics SL-1500C | Audio Technica VM750ML | Hexmat Eclipse, Yellow Bird, Molekula, Molekula Mini | Pro-Ject VC-E | Falcon NW PC Server (Roon Core & HQPlayer) | Microsoft Surface Pro 6 (Roon Controller) | Abyss Diana Phi | Schiit Jotunheim 2 | Astell&Kern SE200 | Oppo BDP105
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January 15, 2017, 11:52 AM #38
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
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January 15, 2017, 12:03 PM #39
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Re: MQA what's the big deal?
In my listening experience and imho native DSD does NOT sound "better"(hate this word) than fully HW decoded MQA......they both sound REALLY GOOD and it might come down to personal opinion and on a particular recording where one would choose one over the other. YMMV on your system, in my system(s) both HW decoded MQA and native DSD along with vinyl and R2R are all great.....calling one better is nothing but someone's personal opinion.
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January 15, 2017, 12:15 PM #40
Re: MQA what's the big deal?
I will give you that. System setup, recording, etc., are all involved, along with personal preferences. However I was actually quoting some conversations I had with David Elias.
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