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January 10, 2017, 02:06 PM #101
Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
USB from my laptop to the rear USB input on the Oppo. Playing hi-res files from Foobar 2000 or JRiver it does up to 24/192, and as I said I'm getting 16/44.1 now, and Windows says the device is working properly, but Tida won't let me choose the option to let the computer control things
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January 10, 2017, 02:06 PM #102
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January 10, 2017, 02:07 PM #103
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January 10, 2017, 02:08 PM #104
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January 10, 2017, 02:09 PM #105
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January 10, 2017, 02:12 PM #107
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Lampi can play MQA if the streamer can play it, so no change for me. I have to find a good streamer at some point
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January 10, 2017, 02:14 PM #108
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January 10, 2017, 02:17 PM #109
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January 10, 2017, 02:19 PM #110
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January 10, 2017, 02:19 PM #111
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January 10, 2017, 02:23 PM #112
Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
I think this is where all the confusion starts and I have no definitive answer.
I am guessing if you are not using a MQA DAC and using the Tidal ap you are getting a software decoded MQA file that assumes everyone is using Generic DAC A. Since they do not know what DAC you re actually using you get some improvement in SQ but not specific for your DAC.
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January 10, 2017, 02:26 PM #113
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January 10, 2017, 02:30 PM #114
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Correct - it only shows up when directly connected to your computer. Furthermore, per Tidal's own website (again, emphasis theirs):
How can I listen to TIDAL Masters (master-quality recordings)?
All you need is a TIDAL HiFi membership to access thousands of master-quality albums only through the TIDAL desktop application.
So what I'm asking you to do is connect directly to your DAC and compare the sample rate of a file played back via the desktop application, passing the undecoded MQA file to your DAC.
I have verified that software decoding via Tidal Desktop of Iron and Wine's "Ghost on Ghost" results in 88.2k sample rate, however your findings seem to indicate that hardware decoding displays 44.1k.
I'm interested to learn if files passed directly from the Tidal Desktop to an MQA enabled DAC display the decoded sample rate (88.2) or the original container rate (44.1) when decoded on your DAC.
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January 10, 2017, 02:31 PM #115
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January 10, 2017, 02:34 PM #116
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
I know you asked Jim this, but this is one of my points. I am NOT using a MQA dac, so even if I got my Tidal app to see my dac, it's not an MQA dac and it's never going to show anything more than what the Tidal app is decoding to, which is 24/44 or 24/48 max. If you have a MQA dac, that's a different story.
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January 10, 2017, 02:35 PM #117
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January 10, 2017, 02:38 PM #119
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January 10, 2017, 02:45 PM #123
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You'll have to define original rate - what I think you mean is container bitrate, which in the case of the album we've been discussing is 44.1.
I can assure you my DAC is not upscaling, it is simply displaying the bitrate of the file being passed to it after the MQA info has been decoded by Tidal.
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January 10, 2017, 02:48 PM #125
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
This is what the MQA review says "You cannot play back an MQA encoded 24/96 file as a 24/96 file on a non-MQA DAC.
Read more at http://www.audiostream.com/content/m...pCQhb5BKC0Y.99
So how are you playing it if it says that you can't?
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January 10, 2017, 02:50 PM #126
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You are not correct, and I genuinely wonder what would lead you to this conclusion, other than the outdated information from AudioStream you posted earlier. My DAC doesn't upsample at all, whether playing Tidal, local files, or anything else. At this point you're simply spreading misinformation.
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January 10, 2017, 02:54 PM #127
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Can you please show me some written information from either Tidal or ??? where it says that you can play higher than 24/48 mqa on a non mqa dac. I am only going by the written information that is available and by what my dac is reading and by the definite different in sound.
I would love to see the information that backs up your claim as that would be a good thing, I just have not either seen or experienced what you are saying, please show me something that proves me wrong....I will embrace it wholeheartedly
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January 10, 2017, 03:01 PM #129
Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
It's right in the Tidal Masters FAQ - the last question:
What is the difference between HiFi quality and Master quality sound?
HiFi audio is a superior sound, but is still limited in its resolution — 44.1 kHz/16 bit.
Yet TIDAL has partnered with MQA to deliver something infinitely better: an authenticated and unbroken version (typically 96 kHz/24 bit) with the highest possible resolution — as flawless as it sounded in the mastering suite. And exactly as the artist intended it to sound.
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January 10, 2017, 03:07 PM #130
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Phil, sorry but that does NOT say that you can play an MQA file higher than 24/48 in a non mqa dac.
Actually looking at posts on many different forums, (AudioNirvana, Computer Audiophile, WBF etc) I can't find one person except yourself that is using a non mqa dac and is reading anything more than 24/48. I can find may 20 or 30 people saying they are doing the sw decode and are reading 24/48.
Very possible that everyone else is wrong and your are right, we will get to the answer in the coming hours or days. Shall be interesting. I'm totally fine with being wrong on this, but I would like to see just one other example either in specific writing or someone else dac that is showing more than 24/48. Then I will believe.
What is really interesting is that NOWHERE except the mentioned MQA review does either the Tidal site, the MQA site or any other review on the net, that I could find, gives any specifics on what the SW MQA decoding is capable of 23/48 etc or the max that you can get with a MQA dac.
I have not heard anywhere else that the MQA review was outdated or is wrong either. It would be nice to find some clarification on it all though.....I'm sure there will be in the near future.
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January 10, 2017, 03:21 PM #131
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True, but it doesn't make any mention of needing an MQA enabled DAC. In fact, there is no mention of MQA enabled hardware anywhere on the Tidal website. So I find it somewhat ridiculous that Tidal would make such a big deal out of this release (and the typical bitrate) without publishing the limitations or other caveat SOMEWHERE.
What Tidal DOES make very clear is that you can only access the Master files through the desktop application.
What I can also tell you from my own experience is that software decoding allows for 88.2 and 96k files to be sent to my DAC. By selecting "Passthrough MQA" the files are not decoded, and are limited to the original container size - 44.1 or 48k. Take the time to get things working on your end and you'll see exactly what I mean. You can prove it to yourself.
I've not reviewed those forums, so I have no idea what kind of playback chain those people are using. Perhaps they're all using a Lumin or Aurender?
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January 10, 2017, 03:25 PM #132
Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
Are you guys arguing about what goes through the Aurender, or about the Tidal desktop app in general? Because Steve Stone's post at Audio Circle (linked a long time ago now, about 5 days LOL) specifically discussed the app allowing up to 24/96 through any DAC; higher res only with a MQA-DAC. BTW I think I have my setup working now, but have only had a chance to compare one album to its hi-res download equivalent. More later
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January 10, 2017, 03:27 PM #133
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Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
No, on Computer Audiophile, no one is using Aurender or Lumin, they are using all types of setups, with all types of screen shots etc and no one shows higher than 24/48 with a non mqa dac.
Totally open to being wrong and sorry but my Tidal app will not communicate with my dac???
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January 10, 2017, 03:33 PM #134
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Thank goodness, I was beginning to think I was alone in this world.
Also, I did a very quick cursory search and found plenty of people playing Tidal Masters with 88.2 and 96k resolution WITHOUT MQA enabled DAS. Here's one example. Read through the thread here.
"...For my PC Tidal app when connected to my Chord Mojo via USB, I can see that Beyonce/2L/Bruno Mars were playing back at 88kHz whereas The Doors/Buena Vista Social Club were playing at 96kHz. The switching of sample rates is automatic. Playing regular Tidal HiFi files are still 44.1kHz. I think we will all have some learning curves getting Tidal Masters working for our own systems."
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Yep, there are some good examples. It seems like you have to be connected directly from the Tidal desktop app to your dac, which is what you have been saying, and which I have not been able to do. I will work on that and get the Tidal app talking to my dac, then I guess it would show the higher rates.
I understand that 24/48 is not the full monte of the mqa decoding, but I still maintain that 24/48 is has been mqa decoded.
Let me work on the pc to dac connection.
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Ok! From the slow learner here and the spreader of bad information - I got the desktop Tidal app to pay through the msb non mqa dac. It shows 32/88K on the dac on the Iron and Wine.
Through the Aurender all you see is 24/48.
After just a few quick listens to a few tracks off of 3 albums, Iron and Wine, Joni Mitchel and James Taylor the 32/88 coming directly from the Tidal desktop app connected via usb to the msb non-mqa dac vs. the 24/48 same Masters tracks that were favorited over to the Aurender from the desktop, there again is a NOTICEABLE difference.
The 24/48 still seems to have the same sonic signature and is definitely vinyl type sounding to me, but the 32/88 from the desktop app takes it to another level. Maybe 25% better?...which is a lot. It's more fuller sounding and has less of an edge to the sound.
Andy, from the forum is going to bring over his Brooklyn DAC and we are going to see what an MQA dac sounds like now vs. the 32/88 from the computer, which is now the premium MQA sound that I am getting.
Thx Phil and Chris, appreciate it.
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January 10, 2017, 04:46 PM #139
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Boy, I'm exhausted just following all of this, but am glad to see that Bob was finally able to get the Tidal desktop app to see his MSB DAC! Good team work!!!
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Phil, Although I am playing from the Tidal Desktop/Masters and connected to the msb dac and the dac read 32/88 in the Tidal desktop app I still can't get it to show exclusive or passthrough mode. But it's playing 32/88K on the dac????? Does this mean because the Tidal app is not recognizing (even though it's playing from the app to the dac) that it's still not MQA?
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Yeah, I know that and for some reason my pc/win10 will NOT show my msb dac. I just pulled out my MacAir and it worked fine, checked all three boxes, triend Iron and Wine and it came up as 24.44.....geezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. But now I have the Apple seeing it so I will play with it to get the higher rates....thank you!
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Glad to hear you got it sorted Bob. Now you can go back to exploring the albums in tidal's masters catalog
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January 10, 2017, 08:34 PM #146
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Thx Chris. I hate Phil I was having the best time with my 24/48, I thought I was in heaven. Back up- four days ago, I was TOTALLY happy listening to Tidal streaming at 16/44.1.....I listened to it for hours every day, was in love with it and the music.
Then comes 24/48 and it sent me into a tizzy....but I had to go and fav the titles on the pc and reload on the Aurender, BUT to play back music I was still using my Ipad, which I love.
Now, today....f'ing Phil Now I can't listen to the 24/48 via the Aurender. Now I have to use my Mac with a long, cheap usb cable, right back to where I was five years ago......EXCEPT that 24/96 from the Desktop app has to be heard to be appreciated, I'm not even going to try and explain what it sounds like. But now it's probably the only way that I will listen until I get the mqa module for my dac. Then I should be able to pass the files through the Aurender and decode them completely in the dac. Everyone should hear it for themselves and decide in their situation, system and preferences.
What a day.....hey Phil....thank you....not just a % difference, it took it up to a different experience.....thx again for the endurance.
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January 10, 2017, 09:33 PM #148
Re: So, does the introduction of MQA change/alter your plans going forward?
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January 10, 2017, 10:11 PM #149
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I have to be honest, I was sitting in my office cursing you today. I can't say I got much real work done. That said, I'm very glad that at the end of the day you're getting the best resolution you can, and I hope our discourse helps others find their way. Happy listening!
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January 10, 2017, 10:13 PM #150
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Update: Lumin will now receive 24-bit MQA music (but not decode them) from Tidal favorite, if users put Tidal Masters music as favorite first using the Tidal desktop app. To identify whether MQA music is being streamed from Tidal simply look at the bitdepth from Lumin app or front panel: MQA is 24-bit. Non-MQA lossless is 16-bit. Since Lumin is not decoding MQA yet, Lumin shows MQA music as 24-bit 44.1kHz or 48kHz.
This "play from favorite" method may not generally apply to other manufacturers, as a fix is required.Peter Lie
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