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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    I am very happy that you got it figured out. Yes, I agree that both companies are excellent and stand behind their products. I really like the DAC3 and when my Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE arrives next week I will continue to use the Benchmark as my DAC and headphone amplifier!

    Not sure who you spoke with at W4S; either Tony or EJ, but they are both excellent and make sure that customers are taken care of.
    Sorry for the delayed response, I tried to respond earlier but there was some sort of technical issue that wouldn't allow me to type on the webpage.

    Thanks, I'm glad you like your DAC3 also. Can I ask why you would get a pre-amp (the W4S STP-SE) when as I understand it the DAC3 is designed to act as a pre-amp itself?

    I spoke with Tony at W4S, he was very helpful, informative and friendly. We ended up chatting about all sorts of audiophile related issues, and I came away with a great impression of the company.

    I haven't had an experience with Benchmark customer support yet, but have heard they're good -- good to hear you've had good experiences also.

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    Re: Benchmark DAC3

    I've always left my DAC2L on when not using but volume down, unless I go on extended holiday. The current draw is not much. I've been doing this for years starting with the DAC1, never had any problems. Saves waiting for warm up.

    My DAC2L did take about 100 hours for the sound to come right from new. This is the same for most new equipment. Best to run music through it, use a radio tuner to help speed things up overnight or when you are at work. Doesn't need to be loud to work.

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    Yes Tony is great! He and EJ are both in our local audio club.

    Yes the DAC3 HGC is a pre-amplifier also, but it's main duty is that of being an excellent DAC and a darn good headphone amplifier. The Wyred 4 Sound pre-amplifier is extremely good and with the stage 2 upgrade is truly world class. There are many people who believe that the pre-amplifier is the heart and soul of your system. I am not sure that I am of that mind set as of yet, but I also believe that the W4S STP-SE is in a whole different world than the Benchmark is as a pre-amplifier. One of the best volume control system on the market, a true high end piece of gear in every way.

    When I had it in my system I was just rediscovering this crazy hobby and I was at the experimental stage. My buddy grabbed it from me and pitted it against some of the absolute best of the best pre-amplifiers on the market. He came away saying that it held it's own against machines that were many times (some as much as 15 times or more) it's price. He was blown away. So when he finished his comparisons I had the opportunity to get it back from him. Dam glad I did .... I will eventually get the stage 2 upgrades done and I will know that I have a true world class pre-amplifier in every way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    I've always left my DAC2L on but volume down. The current draw is not much. I've been doing this for years starting with the DAC1, never had any problems. Saves waiting for warm up.

    My DAC2L did take about 100 hours for the sound to come right from new. This is the same for most new equipment. Best to run music through it even using a radio tuner to help speed things up overnight or when you are at work.

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    Could someone please help me out. When I connect my Benchmark dac3 HGC to my mac via USB I still have full scale system volume control. Is it supposed to be this way? Im not talking about the volume control in any music player. Im talking about the global system volume control which you can control in System Pref > Sound - or with the volume up/down hotkeys on the mac keyboard. In my case if I turn down the volume on my mac this causes the volume of the Benchmark to go down as well. So the mac is acting as a pre-amp to the Benchmark dac3? The other dacs in my possession disable the volume control on my mac. This is worrying as I don't think it should be this way. Please let me know if this is case with anyone else or if you have any solutions. Thanks.

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    I could not say for sure, but it sounds like a setting in the driver/audio player. You should verify that you have the audio set to fixed volume.
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    Got the Benchmark DAC3 HGC last week and it is now pretty broken in. Wonderful sound and seemingly great value for the money.

    Gotta say that I was swayed by the recent Stereophile review. The measurements were spectacular.

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    Re: Benchmark DAC3

    Quote Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
    Got the Benchmark DAC3 HGC last week and it is now pretty broken in. Wonderful sound and seemingly great value for the money.

    Gotta say that I was swayed by the recent Stereophile review. The measurements were spectacular.

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/...hone-amplifier
    Congrats! It looks like a winner.


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    Re: Benchmark DAC3

    I bought Randy's DAC 3 HGC. It is one of the best audio purchases I've ever made. Thank you Randy! I'm using it as a DAC only. The synergy with the rest of my system is outstanding. Are there better DAC's out there? Certainly. With this little guy, I can happily wait until the best DAC's slide down the price/performance curve a bit.

    I'm using a dedicated SurfacePro 3 running JRiver as a music server with a WW Platinum something or other cable that cost almost as much as the computer.
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    Welcome to the forum Tom, thank you so much for joining.
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    Nice to see you again Tom. I am very glad you are enjoying the DAC3. I thought it was a fantastic unit!
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    Thanks Randy - glad you are loving W4S DAC - a wonderful pice for sure.

    Welcome to the forum Tom, thank you so much for joining.
    Thanks Joe. I'm embarrassed to say I joined in 2013!
    I'll definitely be more active here, and hope I can contribute.
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    Re: Benchmark DAC3

    Hello All, first time poster here!

    I am about to do some upgrading of my audio chain that has developed over a number of years. As it stands now, it consists of an Aurender N100H that feeds into an R2R DAC, La Voce S2, from Aqua HiFi. The DAC is connected in balanced mode to a GS-X Mk2 that feeds via its pre-amp section an Odyssey Khartago power amp with the Kismet upgrades. Speakers are ATC SCM 11. All in all, I am quite happy with my system, except that I'd like to replace my GS-X Mk2 with a proper pre-amp. I am thinking, of course, of the new Benchmark HPA4 that seems to be available soon.

    However, I keep can't stop thinking about Benchmark's DAC3 L1. It has outstanding reviews and measurements. And it attracts me because it has the perfect balance between functionality and performance. At Benchmark's website they even suggest of using the DAC3 directly in conjunction with a power amp. So, wouldn't this be the perfect minimalistic system? A Benchmark DAC3 going straight to my power amp? So, my question is: does anyone use the DAC3 (or DAC2 for that matter) with a power amp and thereby omitting a pre-amp? My apologies if this question has been raised already in the forum, but browsing through all the pages of this forum is a bit time consuming.

    Any comments highly welcome!

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    Welcome aboard!


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    Re: Benchmark DAC3

    Randy had a few different versions of the DAC, I'm sure he will weigh in here.

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    Hello, and yes I did have both the DAC2 HGC and DAC3 HGC. They are excellent units. I used them both as DACs (and headphone amps) and I had used the DAC3 HGC as a pre-amp, straight to power amps. It performed well and I have nothing but good things to say about it.

    I have moved on for a few reasons. First off I wanted to try the highest level ESS chip, the 9038. Benchmark uses the 9028. Also, DSD has become very important to me, the higher the better. Benchmark has chosen to support only DSD64. This is very good, but I like DSD128 and DSD256. I have since moved to the T+A DAC 8 DSD which not only supports DSD512, it also supports going up to a base clock of 48 (versus the standard DSD clock of 44). With HQPlayer I over clock everything up to DSD512/48, which is 24.6 MHz... If you have no interest in DSD above DSD64 then without hesitation I recommend the Benchmark!

    Also, I have decided that I prefer using a dedicated pre-amp in my system.
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    Thanks for putting things straight with regards to the DAC3. I understand your point of being able to process DSD up to 256. This is indeed a knockout criterium. I myself am not at all into DSD, so the Benchmark DAC3 fits the bill very well. I also see your point of preferring a dedicated pre-amp, and that's exactly what interests me!
    What you say is that the DAC3 is good enough to be hooked straight to a power amp. That's good to know. However, I am thinking of getting Benchmark's new pre-amp/headphone amp, the HPA4. It looks like a fantastic pre-amp, particularly what Benchmark went through to set up an excellent volume control. If I'd buy a HPA4, the DAC3 would be exclusively used as a DAC, but what I read here, it seems to be a great one!

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    It looks like a pretty cool little unit. If you get this little unit then you probably don't need a headphone amp and extra pre-amp functions built into the DAC. Therefore the DAC3 L would probably be your best choice. Get the pre-amp with remote and the DAC without (options on their website).

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    Will do that, I am asking him a lot of questions. Poor Rory must think: not again the guy from Switzerland

    I guess I'll be ordering the DAC3 L relatively soon, and the HPA4 mid/end August. I am really curious comparing the DAC3 L with my Aqua La Voce S2. It's a great DAC, but I somehow got very much drawn into the Benchmark products.

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    The good thing with the Benchmark is the available trial period.
    I had a DAC3 HGC for a trial. As a pre the volume control was neutral and with 2 analog inputs it worked well.
    But using it as a DAC/pre, in my system and to my ears, it didn't work. The DAC imparted a a mild hardness/whiteness to the upper mids that I found tiring.
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    Re: Benchmark DAC3

    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Myers View Post
    Hello, and yes I did have both the DAC2 HGC and DAC3 HGC. They are excellent units. I used them both as DACs (and headphone amps) and I had used the DAC3 HGC as a pre-amp, straight to power amps. It performed well and I have nothing but good things to say about it.

    I have moved on for a few reasons. First off I wanted to try the highest level ESS chip, the 9038. Benchmark uses the 9028. Also, DSD has become very important to me, the higher the better. Benchmark has chosen to support only DSD64. This is very good, but I like DSD128 and DSD256. I have since moved to the T+A DAC 8 DSD which not only supports DSD512, it also supports going up to a base clock of 48 (versus the standard DSD clock of 44). With HQPlayer I over clock everything up to DSD512/48, which is 24.6 MHz... If you have no interest in DSD above DSD64 then without hesitation I recommend the Benchmark!

    Also, I have decided that I prefer using a dedicated pre-amp in my system.
    Just saw this at Computer Audiophile: Topping fully balanced DAC with the newest ESS 9038 chip. Might be interesting. Sorry if this DAC is mentioned in a Benchmark DAC3 forum!

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