MPod stand for Magico M3's

[Rhapsody]

Our new M3's should be arriving in the next few weeks. They will have the newly announced QPod foundation platforms installed at the factory and be ready to go once they arrive.

The MPod's are a new designed Pod for the M3 MPOD 3-PT STAND. The MPOD is much larger and designed to support very heavy products.

Btw, we finally received our demo S1II's. I've heard them at shows, but was totally shocked, right out of the box at how close they sound to the S5II or S7's. Yes, less bass extension, but you don't even notice it on most music. As others have noted they are quite something especially at their price point.

[Mike]

Congrats on the S1 mk2's. They are fantastic.

I also added the new MPod stand for my demo M3's. Based on the information provided by Magico, on the M3 MPOD 3-PT stand seems like a good investment.

For those interested, MSRP is $9,600/pair for the new M3 MPOD 3-PT stand.






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[Rhapsody]

Congrats on the S1 mk2's. They are fantastic.

I also added the new MPod stand for my demo M3's. Based on the information provided by Magico, on the M3 MPOD 3-PT stand seems like a good investment.

For those interested, MSRP is $9,600/pair for the new M3 MPOD 3-PT stand.


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Yes Mike the S1II's are definitely the "real deal". Because of the smaller cabinet size they throw a monitor type soundstage which is shockingly good and holographic. I am smitten

[Odyssey]

That is one highly engineered, finely crafted stand! I wonder why it is a 3 point stand.

[bobwah]

Do the Mpods require the matching stand ?
Was wondering if the pods could be screwed straight into speakers/racks?


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[Rhapsody]

Do the Mpods require the matching stand ?
Was wondering if the pods could be screwed straight into speakers/racks?


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Currently the only way to purchase MPods is with M3's and the three point stand. Stay tuned for future announcements from Magico regarding different implementations for the MPods.

[Kuoppis]

For those interested, MSRP is $9,600/pair for the new M3 MPOD 3-PT stand.

Hmmm.

Now I understand why Alon does not like Stillpoints under his speakers. I would not either, if I could sell footers for 10 grand instead.

Sorry guys, but that is absolutely insane.


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[Mike]

Hmmm.

Now I understand why Alon does not like Stillpoints under his speakers. I would not either, if I could sell footers for 10 grand instead.

Sorry guys, but that is absolutely insane.


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Stillpoints and MPODS work in completely different manners. Too bad you didn't join us on the tour to see the MPODS completely taken apart, saw the many materials inside, understood the costs of each piece (like the copper which handles the energy), to the "pin" which is removed after the speaker is in place, allowing it to "float", etc. Then frankly, you wouldn't have been so uninformed.

[The Sandman]

Now I understand why Alon does not like Stillpoints under his speakers. I would not either, if I could sell footers for 10 grand instead.

Sorry guys, but that is absolutely insane.

The M3 requires a "platform" to be installed on the bottom of the speaker before the "footers" can be used. The $9600 is for factory installation of the platform on the M3. I believe as an introductory incentive the footers are being included with the platform at no additional charge. For the S7 and presumably other Magico models as well, there will be MPOD footers available that install directly on the speaker without the need for a platform. Pricing for the actual MPODs hasn't been announced AFAIK.

[Mike]

The M3 requires a "platform" to be installed on the bottom of the speaker before the "footers" can be used. The $9600 is for factory installation of the platform on the M3. I believe as an introductory incentive the footers are being included with the platform at no additional charge. For the S7 and presumably other Magico models as well, there will be MPOD footers available that install directly on the speaker without the need for a platform. Pricing for the actual MPODs hasn't been announced AFAIK.

To clarify, the expensive is definitely in the MPOD's and not the platform. The way in which MPOD's deal with energy, allowing it to naturally dissipate and not get returned into the device is brilliant and to see an MPOD take apart, makes you completely appreciate the intricate machining and brilliant engineering that went into it. To see them pull the pin and see how it floats and everything inside and how it manages all that energy that is produced, is really something. Each piece, carefully machined inside and all of the parts working together.

6 MPOD's, two platforms, yup, I now understand why it costs what it costs.

[The Sandman]

To clarify, the expensive is definitely in the MPOD's and not the platform. The way in which MPOD's deal with energy, allowing it to naturally dissipate and not get returned into the device is brilliant and to see an MPOD take apart, makes you completely appreciate the intricate machining and brilliant engineering that went into it. To see them pull the pin and see how it floats and everything inside and how it manages all that energy that is produced, is really something. Each piece, carefully machined inside and all of the parts working together.

6 MPOD's, two platforms, yup, I now understand why it costs what it costs.

Thanks for the clarification Mike. Out of curiosity, why does M3 need the platform (i.e. why not just mount the footers to the base without a platform)?

[bthomas9]

I specifically asked about pods for the S series and Alon said it would be cost prohibitive and has no plans of offering it.


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[The Sandman]

I specifically asked about Mpods for the S series and Alon said it would be cost prohibitive and has no plans of offering it.

I guess their facebook page is wrong then - they show a photo of the S7 with MPODs and titled "The S7 supported by the new MPODS". https://www.facebook.com/MagicoLLC/

Maybe they changed their minds?

[bthomas9]

I guess their facebook page is wrong then - they show a photo of the S7 with MPODs and titled "The S7 supported by the new MPODS". https://www.facebook.com/MagicoLLC/

Maybe they changed their minds?

Very weird...I guess I did MORE specifically ask about the s5 mk2. But I would think if the s7 works the s5 would as well???


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[Kuoppis]

Stillpoints and MPODS work in completely different manners. Too bad you didn't join us on the tour to see the MPODS completely taken apart, saw the many materials inside, understood the costs of each piece (like the copper which handles the energy), to the "pin" which is removed after the speaker is in place, allowing it to "float", etc. Then frankly, you wouldn't have been so uninformed.

Again hmmm .

I'm afraid, Mike, my point is unlikely a question of engineering proficiency. The Stillpoints principle and MPODs is in the sense similar, that both are absorption devices. It is ceramic bearings against a selection of layered materials to the same end. Hence, this is less about being uninformed, it is just that I find the cost outrageous.

And regarding your argument about the copper, today's market price for 1 kg of copper is $4,60 when purchased by the ton, about $20,- for a single one kilo bar of 999 copper.

Let me try to explain through another example what I mean. The mathematician running the maths museum in New York calls playing Lottery taxation of the mathematically untalented. Of course, you could argue it is no tax at all, and you would even be right.

Nevertheless a pity I could not join, I am sure it was truly fascinating. As you know, I do have Magicos myself.


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[Mike]

Again hmmm .

I'm afraid, Mike, my point is unlikely a question of engineering proficiency. The Stillpoints principle and MPODs is in the sense similar, that both are absorption devices. It is ceramic bearings against a selection of layered materials to the same end. Hence, this is less about being uninformed, it is just that I find the cost outrageous.

And regarding your argument about the copper, today's market price for 1 kg of copper is $4,60 when purchased by the ton, about $20,- for a single one kilo bar of 999 copper.

Let me try to explain through another example what I mean. The mathematician running the maths museum in New York calls playing Lottery taxation of the mathematically untalented. Of course, you could argue it is no tax at all, and you would even be right.

Nevertheless a pity I could not join, I am sure it was truly fascinating. As you know, I do have Magicos myself.


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You don't understand the MPOD's. There is so much misinformation out there. Patience. Details on the MPOD's are coming. Perhaps others who were on the tour can more eloquently explain it to you.

Math away. Get your own machine shop, buy the $500,000 machines, do the engineering, buy the raw materials, hire the employees to man it and build 6 of them with the plates for less. We will be your customers.

Not so easy is it?

Too bad you weren't on the tour, you would be coming away saying, "oh yeah, now I see why they cost what they cost..."

I sell Stillpoints and MPOD's. COMPLETELY different approaches. Stillpoints are about complete isolation and decoupling. What happens when you put stillpoints under a preamp? You isolate it. Where does that energy go? Do you know? It has to go somewhere. We are talking about 50 or 60 cycles PER SECOND. Where does it go? Does it escape into thin air? Does it travel down the rack? If it did that, it wouldn't isolate, would it, and therefore wouldn't be doing the job you bought it for, right? Well, where does the energy go. Think about it and let me know.

When you look at MPOD's and QPOD's, that energy is dissipated through and into the copper with many other types of materials used. Magico does not believe in decoupling, because, why? Where does the energy go? See above. MPOD's are about an effective means to dissipate energy and provide dampening.

Again, you need to see the inside of the MPOD, feel it, touch it, examine it to really understand. MPOD's cost what? Roughly twice the amount as Stillpoints 5/6 when you take out the plate? If you saw the engineering inside, understood the theory behind it, I feel you would have a much better understanding.

Both Stillpoints and MPOD'S/QPOD'S do exactly what they are designed to do - they just approach the same problem with a different solution.

[The Sandman]

I need to look at that menu from the Magico afterparty again - I missed where it listed the Kool-Aid.

[Mike]

I need to look at that menu from the Magico afterparty again - I missed where it listed the Kool-Aid.

HAHAHA! Point taken, but let's just say, I think 16 of us now have a much great appreciation and understanding - and respect.

[LVB]

Again hmmm .

I'm afraid, Mike, my point is unlikely a question of engineering proficiency. The Stillpoints principle and MPODs is in the sense similar, that both are absorption devices. It is ceramic bearings against a selection of layered materials to the same end. Hence, this is less about being uninformed, it is just that I find the cost outrageous.

And regarding your argument about the copper, today's market price for 1 kg of copper is $4,60 when purchased by the ton, about $20,- for a single one kilo bar of 999 copper.

Let me try to explain through another example what I mean. The mathematician running the maths museum in New York calls playing Lottery taxation of the mathematically untalented. Of course, you could argue it is no tax at all, and you would even be right.

Nevertheless a pity I could not join, I am sure it was truly fascinating. As you know, I do have Magicos myself.


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The large Stillpoints, that from a far do not look nearly as “invested” as the MPods, are over $900 a piece (with floorsaver). That does not seem like a bargain, nor too far off the likely MPods prices, so what is your point? Yes, this is all expensive, but are you going to look at a gold Patek and measured its price by the value of the gold in it? We don't really know much about these feet so I don't understated your argument, just be happy you don't have to wounder what they do, since they do not fit your S3

[the professor]

We did go through a bunch of bottles of wine. Adult Kool-Aid.

I need to look at that menu from the Magico afterparty again - I missed where it listed the Kool-Aid.

[Kuoppis]

Geez, judging by the horses going wild here I am sure there was Kool-Aid on the menu .

Mike, rest absolutely assured there is not a piece of technology on this planet you would understand and I do not. Happy to compare CVs if you like.

But that is not the point, I just find 10 large too much for footers and do not give a thing even if they have flubber inside. I also find the large Stillpoints expensive.

So, shoot me for daring to voice my opinion.


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[the professor]

I was going to ask Alon but got talking about something else and I forgot, why a totally inert speaker cabinet like Magico needs feet that dampen - since the cabinet is inert, why wouldn't you want something that isolated that inert cabinet from the outside world.

[LVB]

If these work like the Qpods, they are not damping anything...

[the professor]

Seeing the MPODs, I can easily see why they are the price they are.

And without doing comparisons with and without, nobody knows if the price is justified sound wise.

[Kuoppis]

The large Stillpoints, that from a far do not look nearly as “invested” as the MPods, are over $900 a piece (with floorsaver). That does not seem like a bargain, nor too far off the likely MPods prices, so what is your point? Yes, this is all expensive, but are you going to look at a gold Patek and measured its price by the value of the gold in it? We don't really know much about these feet so I don't understated your argument, just be happy you don't have to wounder what they do, since they do not fit your S3

Yeah, well, but then again I do have Magicos, right?


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[Narayan]

Were any listening comparisons done with and without Mpods? I´m sorry but my initial reaction to the price tag was of shock, they better bring some extraordinary improvements to the sound because at that price there are many DACS, amps etc that will probably do much more. I´m a fan of Magico and their technological prowess by the way but the price of some high end audio components and accesories is an all out attack on common sense.

Mike when you send the Hit Men my way can you please tell them to make it quick?

[Mike]

Were any listening comparisons done with and without Mpods? I´m sorry but my initial reaction to the price tag was of shock, they better bring some extraordinary improvements to the sound because at that price there are many DACS, amps etc that will probably do much more. I´m a fan of Magico and their technological prowess by the way but the price of some high end audio components and accesories is an all out attack on common sense.

Mike when you send the Hit Men my way can you please tell them to make it quick?

No comparison, but we spoke with employees who had A/B (for what it's worth). No hit man needed. When you look at things on the surface, it's easy to say "wow". But when you see them up close, see the engineering and parts involved and the machinery to make them, you start realizing, 6 of them and the bases for $9,400 ain't that crazy.

But the point is, you don't HAVE to buy them. If the price bothers people, well then the stock spikes will work just fine. But for those looking to reach optimal performance, it's well worth considering. Not unlike cabling I might add.



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[the professor]

Exactly

I think its great that you can buy them with or without.

[Mike]

I was going to ask Alon but got talking about something else and I forgot, why a totally inert speaker cabinet like Magico needs feet that dampen - since the cabinet is inert, why wouldn't you want something that isolated that inert cabinet from the outside world.

From Magico:

"Nothing on this planet including its "center" is INERT.

The MPOD is designed to channel unwanted oscillation away from or incoming to the enclosure via Constrained Layer Damping which transforms energy into heat without compromising the coupling effect to the floor.

Please let me know if you need more information on this specific topic."

[CPP]

Man I would think something that weighs in a 319 lbs was pretty isolated from incoming sonic interference's, but science is science.

It would be interesting to see how well these Mpods work on a wooden floor like is in a lot of homes with second stories.

[the professor]

Good point and thats very true.

From Magico:

"Nothing on this planet including its "center" is INERT.

The MPOD is designed to channel unwanted oscillation away from or incoming to the enclosure via Constrained Layer Damping which transforms energy into heat without compromising the coupling effect to the floor.

Please let me know if you need more information on this specific topic."

[the professor]

BTW

If I were to buy M3s, or could upgrade an existing pair of Magicos - I would without question buy the MPODS. You could just see it in the faces of everybody at Magico what a difference they make - it was just so honest and like they had found the wholy grail. They were almost giddy on what they thought of them.

And after seeing the quality and what goes into the MPODS and all - they are NOT a big profit center for Magico. So thats not why they were excited.

Just my $.02

[Mike]

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From that picture they sure look like some type of special forces grenade with the pin, cool

[Mike]

From that picture they sure look like some type of special forces grenade with the pin, cool

Pull the pin and you get an explosion of great sound.


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[still-one]

This is the same post I added elsewhere but is more appropriate here. I am unable to delete the other.

It would be interesting to hear a comparison of the M3's with and without the MPOD's. I understand the difficulty in swapping them in and out rapidly and we know our audio memory is short.

Magico must have put a great deal of thought into the design. Both Magico and Wilson have been adamant that Stillpoints are not the answer under their speakers so seeing Magico address the problem with a different design is intriguing.

[Kuoppis]

Sure, why would you use your own ears if you can just listen to the unbiased opinions of manufacturers, who possibly want to sell you their own accessories?

Here's Michael Fremer commenting in Dec 2015 Stereophile: "... While Wilson Audio Specialties doesn't recommend the use of Stillpoints, I replaced the floor spikes supplied with my Alexandria XLF with Stillpoints' massive Ultra 5 feet ($699 each). There were definitive improvements in bass clarity and in soundstage focus and stability. I'm not going back to the spikes."


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[Mike]

Sure, why would you use your own ears if you can just listen to the unbiased opinions of manufacturers, who possibly want to sell you their own accessories?

Here's Michael Fremer commenting in Dec 2015 Stereophile: "... While Wilson Audio Specialties doesn't recommend the use of Stillpoints, I replaced the floor spikes supplied with my Alexandria XLF with Stillpoints' massive Ultra 5 feet ($699 each). There were definitive improvements in bass clarity and in soundstage focus and stability. I'm not going back to the spikes."


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I wonder if he still has that configuration. Have at it with A/B with the feet of 300+ pound speakers. I'll sit back and watch. We will start to get a better idea of the effectiveness of the MPODS, once they are available for the S7's and hopefully, the S5 mk2's (there's been no mention of this...likely just wishful thinking on my part).

[still-one]

Sure, why would you use your own ears if you can just listen to the unbiased opinions of manufacturers, who possibly want to sell you their own accessories?

Here's Michael Fremer commenting in Dec 2015 Stereophile: "... While Wilson Audio Specialties doesn't recommend the use of Stillpoints, I replaced the floor spikes supplied with my Alexandria XLF with Stillpoints' massive Ultra 5 feet ($699 each). There were definitive improvements in bass clarity and in soundstage focus and stability. I'm not going back to the spikes."


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I tried Stlllpoints under my speakers and I thought it sounded good. I removed them a month later and it sounded better. It is typical in this hobby that change sounds good because it is different. Sometimes it doesn't hold up. In my case Stillpoints were a false illusion.

I've sat is demo's with MF. After hearing him pontificate over mediocre sound I don't have much faith in what he writes.

[CPP]

I wonder if he still has that configuration. Have at it with A/B with the feet of 300+ pound speakers. I'll sit back and watch. We will start to get a better idea of the effectiveness of the MPODS, once they are available for the S7's and hopefully, the S5 mk2's (there's been no mention of this...likely just wishful thinking on my part).

I've got a couple engine hoists if ya need to borrow one for lifting ,

[Mike]

i've got a couple engine hoists if ya need to borrow one for lifting , :d

please!

[LVB]

I tried Stlllpoints under my speakers and I thought it sounded good. I removed them a month later and it sounded better. It is typical in this hobby that change sounds good because it is different. Sometimes it doesn't hold up. In my case Stillpoints were a false illusion.

I've sat is demo's with MF. After hearing him pontificate over mediocre sound I don't have much faith in what he writes.

+1

I had to sit through his “analog ripping” listening session at a show once and watched him marvel himself and the dreadful sonic outcome.
I couldn’t believe my ears, so yes, not much confidence in anything he says these days…

[Kuoppis]

I tried Stlllpoints under my speakers and I thought it sounded good. I removed them a month later and it sounded better. It is typical in this hobby that change sounds good because it is different. Sometimes it doesn't hold up. In my case Stillpoints were a false illusion.

I've sat is demo's with MF. After hearing him pontificate over mediocre sound I don't have much faith in what he writes.

Well, there are a lots of self-proclaimed gurus no-one cares about.

Hence, still value Fremer's view above yours any day. He at least gets paid money for his opinions. Doubt that is the case with you.


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[still-one]

Well, there are a lots of self-proclaimed gurus no-one cares about.

Hence, still value Fremer's view above yours any day. He at least gets paid money for his opinions. Doubt that is the case with you.


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You're correct, I was paid not paid to write I was paid to manage a billion dollar business. I don't offer purchasing advice.

Being paid does not make MF competent. Remember 50% of all Doctors/Lawyers graduated in the bottom half of their class.

If you need help in making your purchasing decisions, you may need different hobby.

I take it your one of MF's vinyl ocelots.

[kevinkwann]

You're correct, I was paid not paid to write I was paid to manage a billion dollar business. I don't offer purchasing advice.

Being paid does not make MF competent. Remember 50% of all Doctors/Lawyers graduated in the bottom half of their class.

If you need help in making your purchasing decisions, you may need different hobby.

I take it your one of MF's vinyl ocelots.

Excellent post with which I agree 100%.

[Kuoppis]

You're correct, I was paid not paid to write I was paid to manage a billion dollar business. I don't offer purchasing advice.

Being paid does not make MF competent. Remember 50% of all Doctors/Lawyers graduated in the bottom half of their class.

Maybe you should stick to your business then or go to school to see where you end up on that scale.


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[The Sandman]

LOL at the twists and turns of this thread.

Audiophilia is not a competitive sport.

Audiophilia is not a zero sum game.

Audiophilia may be a incurable disease. Disclaimer: I'm a doctor but I was in the top half of my class.

I hope to try the MPODs on my S7's.

The next round of Kool-Aid is on me.

[Kuoppis]

LOL at the twists and turns of this thread.

Audiophilia is not a competitive sport.

Audiophilia is not a zero sum game.

Audiophilia may be a incurable disease. Disclaimer: I'm a doctor but I was in the top half of my class.

I hope to try the MPODs on my S7's.

The next round of Kool-Aid is on me.

Like your sense of humor, splendid .

And you are absolutely right: it is a bit silly to try to determine which tune sounds best in someone else's ear or which ice cream tastes best in somebody else's mouth.


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[still-one]

Maybe you should stick to your business then or go to school to see where you end up on that scale.


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I have a post graduate degree and did just fine. Now that I have retired I have no plans on working towards a Phd. Still, thanks for the encouragement.

[still-one]

Maybe you should stick to your business then or go to school to see where you end up on that scale.


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Just to be clear, I am not disparaging lawyers or doctors. I was indicating that "positions" or "jobs" or writers for that matter do not automatically earn respect because of their title.