Raidho - So now what? - Page 2
Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 27
  1. #11
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    21,082
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Very surprised there wasn't a no-compete clause in the sale contract..
    Well, if the sale was 2009, that's 8 years ago. Non competes don't last forever. 5 years is a long time. 2 is standard. We also don't know how laws in Denmark treat non competes either.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the dates.

    I will say this: the guys in charge of Raidho now are top notch. You will not meet a nicer guy in audio, than Mr. Peter Jensen. Also, he has acted quickly to replace Lars & Michael day one with two top notch guys.

    Where do Lars & Michael go from here? Focus solely on cables and electronics? I doubt it. I can't help but think we will see a competing speaker brand. Michael isn't one to sit around.
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Audio Research, Aurender, Ansuz Cables, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Ayre Acoustics, Berkeley Audio Design, Bryston, Chord, ClearAudio Turntables & Accessories, Esoteric, FirstWatt, Focal Headphones, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Furutech, Gryphon Audio, iFi Audio, ISO Acoustics, KEF Loudspeakers, Kimber Kable, KL Audio Record Cleaning Machines, KR Audio Tube & Amps, Kronos, Lampizator, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MicroMega, MIT Cables, MSB Technologies, Ortofon, Pass Labs, PS Audio, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables, REL Acoustics, Roon Labs, Shunyata Research, Siltech, Solid Tech Racks, SRA, Stein Music, Stillpoints, T+A Electronics, Tannoy Loudspeakers, Transfiguration Cartridges, Trenner & Friedl, Triode Corporation of Japan, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, VPI Industries.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  2. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    687
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Alon did a fantastic job with S3 for eg, the mk2 bass improvements are significant over Mk1's, same when they went to the new M series ..

    I found the the S3 Mk1 bass a weak spot, the speaker smooth and articulate, But lacking in weight and dynamics, the MK2 is a major step forward ..


    Regards
    First time I heard of it. Ironically, first time I heard Magico sealed bass on S3, I knew I had to switch to Magico.

    Maybe could be a mismatch in synergy with the system(s) you heard? Also, do remember if you're used to Wilson like bass you'd feel Magico bass lean but people do perceive as clean and articulate.

  3. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Front Row Center
    Posts
    1,838
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    First time I heard of it. Ironically, first time I heard Magico sealed bass on S3, I knew I had to switch to Magico.

    Maybe could be a mismatch in synergy with the system(s) you heard? Also, do remember if you're used to Wilson like bass you'd feel Magico bass lean but people do perceive as clean and articulate.

    You should listen to MK2 bass , you may not like if you like mk1 , to me there is no comparison between Mk1 vs Mk2 .

    Mk2 is a big leap forward in performance ...


    Regards

  4. Likes kzhtoo, GSOphile, Kuoppis liked this post
  5. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Front Row Center
    Posts
    1,838
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well, if the sale was 2009, that's 8 years ago. Non competes don't last forever. 5 years is a long time. 2 is standard. We also don't know how laws in Denmark treat non competes either.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the dates.

    I will say this: the guys in charge of Raidho now are top notch. You will not meet a nicer guy in audio, than Mr. Peter Jensen. Also, he has acted quickly to replace Lars & Michael day one with two top notch guys.

    Where do Lars & Michael go from here? Focus solely on cables and electronics? I doubt it. I can't help but think we will see a competing speaker brand. Michael isn't one to sit around.
    Peter is Mr ScanSpeak , very knowledgable, no doubt Raidho is in good hands technically and it was a long, long , handoff , so i would not expect to see much change from their typical day to day operation ..

  6. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    687
    Post Thanks / Like

    Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    You should listen to MK2 bass , you may not like if you like mk1 , to me there is no comparison between Mk1 vs Mk2 .

    Mk2 is a big leap forward in performance ...


    Regards
    I'm sure no doubt mk2 is a better speaker knowing Magico and assurance by many on this forum including Mike. Mk2 may have better bass performance with its graphene woofers (this is a much discussed topic on S3 mk2 thread) but that does not mean mk1 with Al woofers have bass issue, which is what I'm puzzled with. Mk1 has been in production for almost 4 years now and this is the first time I heard of it on any forums and review.

    Sorry about getting side tracked from the main topic.

  7. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Front Row Center
    Posts
    1,838
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    I'm sure no doubt mk2 is a better speaker knowing Magico and assurance by many on this forum including Mike. Mk2 may have better bass performance with its graphene woofers (this is a much discussed topic on S3 mk2 thread) but that does not mean mk1 with Al woofers have bass issue, which is what I'm puzzled with. Mk1 has been in production for almost 4 years now and this is the first time I heard of it on any forums and review.

    Sorry about getting side tracked from the main topic.
    Im only giving my perception after listening to a few Magico setups , the S3 Mk2 is a really good speaker and i said back then on its release after hearing it , that it will be a good seller for them , i never had that impression listening to the Mk1.

    I do prefer vented cabinets from a design / technical and sonic approach , but a good design will not matter topology if implementation is good. The Mk2 has this appeal, you are not going to listen and say argh sealed bass , Bass is either good, OK or bad and the Mk2 delivers here more than the MK1.

    Regards

    PS: Many have complained about Magico lean thin sound at shows and dealers over the years , so its not new to hear this. Such critique is usually washed away by one being used to vented bass and not sealed ...

    "one good thing about music when it hits , you feel no pain"

    -Bob Marley

  8. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    687
    Post Thanks / Like

    Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Im only giving my perception after listening to a few Magico setups , the S3 Mk2 is a really good speaker and i said back then on its release after hearing it , that it will be a good seller for them , i never had that impression listening to the Mk1.

    I do prefer vented cabinets from a design / technical and sonic approach , but a good design will not matter topology if implementation is good. The Mk2 has this appeal, you are not going to listen and say argh sealed bass , Bass is either good, OK or bad and the Mk2 delivers here more than the MK1.

    Regards
    Hmm..the topic at hand, at least from where I'm looking at, is NOT mk2 vs. mk1, but the question of if mk1 itself has some sort of bass issue. Mk1 frequency response is as flat as S5 mk1 at the time if I'm remember correctly, may probably still very similar to mk2 now.
    As comparison, Raidho has a known mid-bass hump issue that many people talk about. It was said to be a design choice and many people experience difficulty in taming this. On the other hand, S3 mk1 doesn't have this sort of issue - not by other people or myself and a few others S3 owners on this forum.
    I understand if you like mk2 better. I'm not disagreeing. In fact, I agree with you. But that doesn't mean mk1 had some sort of bass issue and Alon fixed it in mk2.

  9. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    687
    Post Thanks / Like

    Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post

    PS: Many have complained about Magico lean thin sound at shows and dealers over the years , so its not new to hear this. Such critique is usually washed away by one being used to vented bass and not sealed ...

    "one good thing about music when it hits , you feel no pain"

    -Bob Marley
    So, now the bass issue you were referring to is not just limited to S3 mk1 alone but pretty much all the Magico speakers preceding Sx mk2 versions?

    It's going all over the place now. I really don't want to get into another sealed vs. vented argument. All I was trying to clarify is S3 mk1 does or does not have some sort of bass issue, which you implied it does.

  10. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2014
    Location
    Austin, TX & Suburban Chicago
    Posts
    755
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well, if the sale was 2009, that's 8 years ago. Non competes don't last forever. 5 years is a long time. 2 is standard. We also don't know how laws in Denmark treat non competes either.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the dates.

    I will say this: the guys in charge of Raidho now are top notch. You will not meet a nicer guy in audio, than Mr. Peter Jensen. Also, he has acted quickly to replace Lars & Michael day one with two top notch guys.

    Where do Lars & Michael go from here? Focus solely on cables and electronics? I doubt it. I can't help but think we will see a competing speaker brand. Michael isn't one to sit around.
    I do see a new speaker coming from the wizard's stick of Michael Borresen. Although that may take some time. I doubt if Michael and Lars will put out a speaker that is a lateral move. It will probably be a step up in performance and that is what may take some time.

    In the mean time we will see new products from Ansuz and Aavik. I am extremely pleased with my Ansuz DTC cable loom. That is one next level improvement that continues to surprise and satisfy and has not "faded into the woodwork".

    It will be interesting to see what Michael and Lars can come up with employing total design discretion. I bet it won't be less expensive than previous designs.

    Here's another 2 cents worth: I hope when the new Michael and Lars speaker company comes out that they have a strong US distributer to ride herd on the domestic market.
    Le Roy

    Austin, Tx : Soulution 520 preamp, 501 mono blocks, 541 SACD/560 DAC w/ Network Streaming, Raidho D3.1, Lumin U1, Lampi Big 7 SE, Uptone Audio Modded Mac Mini w/ MMK fanless kit & JS-2 LPS, Regen, Ansuz Diamond Loom, Oppo 105D, QNAP TS-451+

    Chicagoland : Soulution 725 preamp, 711 stereo amp, 541 SACD/560 DAC w/ Network Streaming, Raidho D5.1, Naim UnitiServe 2TB, Ansuz d-tc Loom (complete), Teac X1000 R2R, QNAP TS-451+

    Foundation:
    Raidho Rack system, Ansuz (3) Mainz D8 Distribution, 20 amp dedicated outlets via subpanel

  11. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Front Row Center
    Posts
    1,838
    Post Thanks / Like

    Re: Raidho - So now what?

    Quote Originally Posted by kzhtoo View Post
    So, now the bass issue you were referring to is not just limited to S3 mk1 alone but pretty much all the Magico speakers preceding Sx mk2 versions?

    It's going all over the place now. I really don't want to get into another sealed vs. vented argument. All I was trying to clarify is S3 mk1 does or does not have some sort of bass issue, which you implied it does.
    I said others have commented at shows and dealers , my comments are about and directed to S3's .....


    You are the only one traveling ....

    regards

 

 
Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 1 2 3 LastLast