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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    I think using the word flawed is probably not the best description.

    It's like saying a Porsche is flawed because it allows me feel the road instead of floating on a cushion of air. Or it's flawed because I can't move my couch with it.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by Odyssey View Post
    Paul, please tell us exactly what hit your dock?
    Speakers and amps. I have been waiting for David to get his 725 to compare to the 520 so I can make a preamp decision and get going. Patience is a virtue???? Seems like torture to me.

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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Paul - an integrated works best because it does not have a GINORMOUS transformer which creates too much bass.
    Mike, while integrated amps work very well, you can have success with large mono's. Dagostino and Classe' work very well with D3 V2.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    I think using the word flawed is probably not the best description.

    It's like saying a Porsche is flawed because it allows me feel the road instead of floating on a cushion of air. Or it's flawed because I can't move my couch with it.
    I totally agree Jock, but if I can make the Porsche better.................why not do it ?
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    True true!

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    I totally agree Jock, but if I can make the Porsche better.................why not do it ?
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Mike, while integrated amps work very well, you can have success with large mono's. Dagostino and Classe' work very well with D3 V2.
    They did. My Dag monos sounded great on the D3 v2.


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    Ok guys, I'm going to give you my two cents. From the start I want to make it clear that the new version of D3's is a much improved speaker from the original design. It is much better balanced and will handle bass at higher volumes than the original. But when I first set my pair up I never told anyone that the perceived bass issues were completely gone. Raidho speakers give you a great full bottom end to start with. Most amplifier and cable companies try to give you this with their electronics because most people perceive a speaker with fuller bass to be a superior speaker than a more neutral sounding speaker. The problem is Raidho already gives this to you with their speakers. So it is critical to pair their speakers with neutral cables and electronics. The equipment provided at the Newport show for the D3's was from a local Texas dealer demonstrating Pass XS series amplifiers. Which I recently read a review that stated how great and big the bass was on these amplifiers. But the reviewer also said in comparison to other brands and other XA amplifiers when using the XS series it was the equivalent as adding a subwoofer. Obviously not a good combination for Raidho speakers but great for other brands such as Focal, and Magico. I have had great success with several brands of electronics such as Soulution 711, Soulution 501, Accuphase A200's, Accuphase P6100, Mark Levinson No. 53's, and I'm sure many more that I have not tried. The integrated amps that I have tried with success have been Hegel, Musical Fidelity and Devialet. I am sure that there are many more that would work well with Raidho as well. LeRoy (Odyssey) demoed D3's in my shop with Soulution gear and Ansuz cables and seemed quite impressed with the new version of D3's. In fact he went on to purchase Soulution product for his D5's from his local dealer. Unless he was just being nice, I think he would admit that there were no bass issues with this set-up. So with this being said, I do not feel the D3's are in any way flawed. The slightly excessive bass, which I agree to, is simply a characteristic of the speaker. Not being any different than any other brand having their specific sound and characteristics such as being sterile, extremely neutral, dry, and lack of involvement. Not going to name any brands but you know the usual suspects. The key is to find a set-up with electronics and speakers that will suit your listening volume and style of music and most importantly that you can match the appropriate electronics and cables to get the best performance out of the Raidho brand. Which in all honestly should be our goal and mission for whichever brand of speaker we choose to purchase. I do agree that it would be nice to have some type of compensation on the speaker to allow bass tuning for your room. Several high end brands offer this and I have found in some applications for it to be quite beneficial. The problem in my room with any speaker is at 63HRZ I have a 6db spike. And I cannot seem to get rid of it with positioning and treatments. So, even if Raidho had an adjustment on the back, who determines what frequency gets rolled off? Most companies will look at this in the 100HRZ range. In my room and application, I would not benefit from such an adjustment. So, even if this was added it may or may not be beneficial to the specific individual set-up. It is crucial to know what frequencies are being over emphasized in your room with the D3's. It could be different and probably will be different in all rooms. But there are many people much smarter and more knowledgable on this matter than me. These are strictly my opinions. And I do find at times that the bass is a little heavy with certain styles of music and with certain volume levels. But again, the Raidho are extremely revealing speakers of the source material. So I get confused at times wondering if the bloated or heavy bass is not just a result of whoever mixed the source material.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Well said David !

    I had adjustable bass on my Salon 2's, it can really help with room integration.
    Last edited by MDP; September 5, 2014 at 04:04 PM.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Well said David !
    +1.


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    A Plea for Michael Borresen

    That is the longest post I have ever made on this form. For those that know me personally it took about two hours to type. So please do not be too hard on my words of East Texas wisdom. Just kidding my wife typed it for me.
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