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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    Michael was at the show, you'd think he would of tamed them if he could. he shared the room with Lloyd Walker no less - mr tweak himself! I complimented Michael on the X-1 (fabulous little speaker), he intimated their room upstairs wasn't sounding right.
    All of the rooms on that side of the hotel and in that part of the corridor had the bass issue. Next year we'll have a new hotel.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    And here I was led to believe that the D3's "upgrade" solved all of Raidho's bass woes .
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Having been the first (or one of the first) in America to own the D3 v1 and the first to own the D3 v2 and the D1's, I have some perspective on this subject.

    First, let's not turn this into a bash Raidho thread. Raidho's (if you've ever heard them) can do things that no other speaker can do. Their holographic, 3D presentation is class leading for a traditional monopole speaker. The Raidho tweeter is also one of the smoothest, yet most detailed I've ever heard. And let's not forget, these speakers are sleek and slender, with a high WAF factor.

    The first conversation I had with Michael Borresen, we discussed proper amplification. What he told me still holds true today: VAC tube amps or a nice little integrated - something like a SimAudio, Jeff Rowland, Burmester or similar.

    I tried to buck what he recommended by putting Classe CAM-600 monos on my first D3's. I then tried an assortment of other amps and it wasn't until I tried my friends VAC amps, my little JOB225 and my little Marantz amp that I started to hear a LOT less bass.

    As I continued with version 2 of the D3's, I tried many amps again and settled on the VAC phi200's as the perfect combination (for me). ZERO - and I mean ZERO bass issues. The Rowland S2, Devialet and others were also excellent.

    Here in America, we love our mega watt monoblocks (guilty as charged). What do most mega watt monoblocks produce with their massive power supplies? BASS! LOTS of bass. What do we not need more of with Raidho speakers? BASS!

    Putting megawatt stereo or monoblock amplifiers are Raidho speakers is akin to trying to operate a laser with oven mitts. You can do it, but it won't work well.

    What does Michael use to voice his Raidho speakers? A Burmester integrated.

    Yes, some integrated amps may still have too much bass. The mega powerful Hegel H300 for example. You need to experiment. If you're opposed to VAC tube amps, SimAudio, Jeff Rowland, etc. are good places to start.

    I will let others discuss the benefits of different cables, mechanical and electrical grounding. I found these things helped treat the symptoms, but not the cause.

    So, the good news is that owning Raidho D1, D2 or D3's means you don't need to spend $60,000 on kilowatt monoblocks. The bad news is that you're going to have to change the way you approach amplification. If you purchase the big D5's....well...I'm sure the megawatt monoblocks will work well. Raidho demonstrates the new D5's with Constellation monos. But I've personally found Constellation amps to be lacking in bass anyway....YMMV.

    Accept the recommendations by their designer and you will have a very happy Raidho experience. Try to buck the trend with your 200 pound stereo or monoblock amps and you will get frustrated.

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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    I agree Mike. The Rowland S2 worked great with the D3 v2s I had. The Cary 211 FE worked very good also.

    I was lucky, and my semi-mega watt, D'Agostino pre and mono blocks worked great in my room. I even used a pair of Wilson Watch Dog subs to get that last 1/2 octave. So it can be done.

    However, using a an amp that accenuates the bass, no matter how tight the bass is, will still be too much bass.

    On a side note: I find that the D5s have less bass than the D3s do.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Having been the first (or one of the first) in America to own the D3 v1 and the first to own the D3 v2 and the D1's, I have some perspective on this subject.

    First, let's not turn this into a bash Raidho thread. Raidho's (if you've ever heard them) can do things that no other speaker can do. Their holographic, 3D presentation is class leading for a traditional monopole speaker. The Raidho tweeter is also one of the smoothest, yet most detailed I've ever heard. And let's not forget, these speakers are sleek and slender, with a high WAF factor.

    The first conversation I had with Michael Borresen, we discussed proper amplification. What he told me still holds true today: VAC tube amps or a nice little integrated - something like a SimAudio, Jeff Rowland, Burmester or similar.

    I tried to buck what he recommended by putting Classe CAM-600 monos on my first D3's. I then tried an assortment of other amps and it wasn't until I tried my friends VAC amps, my little JOB225 and my little Marantz amp that I started to hear a LOT less bass.

    As I continued with version 2 of the D3's, I tried many amps again and settled on the VAC phi200's as the perfect combination (for me). ZERO - and I mean ZERO bass issues. The Rowland S2, Devialet and others were also excellent.

    Here in America, we love our mega watt monoblocks (guilty as charged). What do most mega watt monoblocks produce with their massive power supplies? BASS! LOTS of bass. What do we not need more of with Raidho speakers? BASS!

    Putting megawatt stereo or monoblock amplifiers are Raidho speakers is akin to trying to operate a laser with oven mitts. You can do it, but it won't work well.

    What does Michael use to voice his Raidho speakers? A Burmester integrated.

    Yes, some integrated amps may still have too much bass. The mega powerful Hegel H300 for example. You need to experiment. If you're opposed to VAC tube amps, SimAudio, Jeff Rowland, etc. are good places to start.

    I will let others discuss the benefits of different cables, mechanical and electrical grounding. I found these things helped treat the symptoms, but not the cause.

    So, the good news is that owning Raidho D1, D2 or D3's means you don't need to spend $60,000 on kilowatt monoblocks. The bad news is that you're going to have to change the way you approach amplification. If you purchase the big D5's....well...you I'm sure the megawatt monoblocks will work well. Raidho demonstrates the new D5's with Constellation monos. But I've personally found Constellation amps to be lacking in bass anyway....YMMV.

    Accept the recommendations by their designer and you will have a very happy Raidho experience. Try to buck the trend with your 200 pound stereo or monoblock amps and you will get frustrated.

    Less is more.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    great post Mike!!! from my few listening sessions with raidhos it seems a hard speaker to pair up with an amp. either running too much amp or not enough. Mark seems to have this down for the most part and he is just suggesting that on "some' songs its a problem and could use a bass control . not a bad idea for a speaker that is known to be tough to control the bass.
    i for one could not run a raidho with my SET amp but if i ever went back to push pull amps ,i would find me a raidho speaker to use with them above all others ive heard, id even take a great deal on an original pair of d3's bass issues and pops and all, cause the upside to them is just incredible.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    I am almost through with my efforts to "tame the bass" on the D3's I bought from Mike. Yes I have those dreaded megawatt monoblocks and a relatively small room (14' x 20"). My first amp back in the early nineties was a Krell Class A monster and I've never owned anything but high power, high current amps. I'm probably too old to change. I do note however that Dan D'Agostino makes a nice little integrated and/or stereo amp with about 200W into 8 ohms. Anyone tried it with D3's? A switch to his products would be a compromise since it's solid state and he is a Krell alumni. :-)

    I have made adjustments to speaker position, room treatments, power cables and sources, footings (granite) and have only one trick left - the sock in the port recommended by another poster. The bass is vastly improved from where I started but still a little overpowering on certain jazz tracks with electric bass. I love everything about the speaker (and my ML 53's) and can happily ignore the bass on those few tracks where it is an issue. For the time being, I'm done. They are fantastic speakers and one small nit doesn't change that. Would I upgrade to a V3 that provided some control over the bass response. Probably.

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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by Cincy2 View Post
    I am almost through with my efforts to "tame the bass" on the D3's I bought from Mike. Yes I have those dreaded megawatt monoblocks and a relatively small room (14' x 20"). My first amp back in the early nineties was a Krell Class A monster and I've never owned anything but high power, high current amps. I'm probably too old to change. I do note however that Dan D'Agostino makes a nice little integrated and/or stereo amp with about 200W into 8 ohms. Anyone tried it with D3's? A switch to his products would be a compromise since it's solid state and he is a Krell alumni. :-)

    I have made adjustments to speaker position, room treatments, power cables and sources, footings (granite) and have only one trick left - the sock in the port recommended by another poster. The bass is vastly improved from where I started but still a little overpowering on certain jazz tracks with electric bass. I love everything about the speaker (and my ML 53's) and can happily ignore the bass on those few tracks where it is an issue. For the time being, I'm done. They are fantastic speakers and one small nit doesn't change that. Would I upgrade to a V3 that provided some control over the bass response. Probably.

    Cincy
    Cincy, that's exactly where I am now. As I stated in my original post, I am not getting rid of these speakers, I absolutely love them. But when a design is this close to perfect, or as perfect as I want a speaker to be, why settle for less if it's in the designers capability ?
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by mdkim View Post
    And here I was led to believe that the D3's "upgrade" solved all of Raidho's bass woes .
    Michael, we obviously have very different tastes in speakers, I'm glad you're happy.
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    Re: A Plea for Michael Borresen

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Have you tried one of each

    Thats too funny Joe!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Thats too funny Joe!!!!
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