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    Re: What are you watching?

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    * Bill, is there a film(s) in the works about The Silmarillion?
    This is a very good question ... Google "Silmarillion movie". Many, but not, all Tolkien fans would love to see one -- or more precisely a series of movies, since there is plenty of material.

    Peter Jackson doesn't have the rights to The Silmarillion as he does to the LoTR and Hobbit. For a further point of view, see "Why Peter Jackson Will Never Film The Silmarillion".

    By the way, perhaps you're aware that Fëanor is an major character in The Silmarillion.
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    Re: What are you watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Yes, and with Peter Jackson's own readings of the books and interpretations and with his team of other advocates (interpreters - one woman in particular; I forgot her name), his elaborate films come also with tons of baggage; many other informative discs about EVERYTHING.

    Like I said Brian; it is a very fortunate accident that I did not read all the books, not even one. But I did check some interesting facts from the special features (Blu-ray discs), so I'm aware of some of the stuff like the changes made for the films, and some of the free interpretation, and some of the stuff omitted, and other added. After all he took some liberties in creating his movies the way he saw them fit, with hos own personal touch. He tried to replicate the stories from the books as best as he could but adapted for films at the theater, and then at home (Extended Editions).

    Yes, I read several comments on several forums about some scenes that were not accurate compared to the books, missing parts, and free ones.

    If we are doing an elaborate analysis from the films versus the books we would probably be able to write an encyclopedia just on the LOTR and the Hobbit alone!

    There are several type of viewers; which type should we respect more, the ones who read all the books of the films they watched or the ones who didn't? Of course neither one, it's all a balancing artistic act.
    Should films be made only when they are original (true art form - pure creativity), or are we allowed to make films based on books and live facts?
    And then, no two people would ever make the very same film. Of course not; no one has the exact same vision as the next person standing or sitting beside him/her.

    That's why most films based on books are loose (loosely based on a true story, or a fantasy story). ...Picasso, where did he get his inspiration?

    And the writers; did they saw the things that they wrote exactly the same as the readers who read their books? Ha!
    To be or not to be, that is the question.
    I don't mind so much if they leave out some detail, because if not the movies would be even longer due to Tolkien's detail. But to change detail where there is no need to change it, as it does not do anything to help.

    I think the whole idea bringing these books to film was to cash in on all us LOTR Loyalists. Think about it....first out on DVD, then re-released as Extended Versions, then re-released as Blu. That was not all for those who never read the books and don't know the story, although they did cash in on those people some too at the movies.

    Look what they did to Steven King's Under The Dome. They strayed from the book straight away so they could drag it out into multiple seasons and keep twisting the story further.

    Oh well, Artistic Interpretation from those who could not write it let alone dream it all up.
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    Re: What are you watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    I don't mind so much if they leave out some detail, because if not the movies would be even longer due to Tolkien's detail. But to change detail where there is no need to change it, as it does not do anything to help.

    I think the whole idea bringing these books to film was to cash in on all us LOTR Loyalists. Think about it....first out on DVD, then re-released as Extended Versions, then re-released as Blu. That was not all for those who never read the books and don't know the story, although they did cash in on those people some too at the movies.
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    And it's not only plot details that are a problem. One of the most egregious liberties Jackson took with the LoTR was casting Elijah Wood as Frodo, portraying him as a callow 20 year old (in human terms). The "real" Frodo Baggins was 50 y.o. when he set out on the ring quest; (given hobbits mature more slowly than humans, 35-40 y.o. in human terms). Most of the rest of the casting was OK; notably good was Ian McKellen as Gandalf, who, BTW, is hard-core Tolkien fan.

    I suppose Jackson's screenwriters advised him that typical viewers "wouldn't understand" Frodo's particular sort of naivete if he were portrayed by a 40 y/o. That is, similar to the Faramir issue. Those bitches should be garrotted, (opps! what am I saying. Gosh, sorry).
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    Re: What are you watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    I believe people have actually done written encyclopedic comparisons of the films to the book. I could find links no doubt ...

    Personally I acknowledge Jackson's artistic right to interpret Tolkien's works. My objections to his changes, (additions/deletions), are purely personal. But I know that most Tolkien fans also object, though not necessarily to same things nor to the same extent because -- as you say -- people don't illustrate the same text in the same way in their minds' eyes.


    Yes, Bob, it is fortunate that you have not read the books to the extent that it allows you to appreciate the films on their own merits.
    We Tolkien fans are thus less fortunate because we are biased by our knowledge of the "sacred text".
    However most of us agree that books are greater than the films; Christopher Tolkien, (J.R.R.'s son and literary executor), was ultimately correct when he said that they had to be read and cinema could never really do them justice.
    - Interesting; I'm totally free, without any bias myself.

    - If you say so I believe you because you are not alone in saying that.

    - The films shouldn't have been made? ...Well, perhaps by a better and more accurate director?

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    Re: What are you watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    This is a very good question ... Google "Silmarillion movie". Many, but not, all Tolkien fans would love to see one -- or more precisely a series of movies, since there is plenty of material.

    Peter Jackson doesn't have the rights to The Silmarillion as he does to the LoTR and Hobbit.
    For a further point of view, see "Why Peter Jackson Will Never Film The Silmarillion".

    By the way, perhaps you're aware that Fëanor is a major character in The Silmarillion.
    No but now I am.
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    Re: What are you watching?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    I don't mind so much if they leave out some detail, because if not the movies would be even longer due to Tolkien's detail. But to change detail where there is no need to change it, as it does not do anything to help.

    I think the whole idea bringing these books to film was to cash in on all us LOTR Loyalists. Think about it....first out on DVD, then re-released as Extended Versions, then re-released as Blu. That was not all for those who never read the books and don't know the story, although they did cash in on those people some too at the movies.

    Look what they did to Steven King's Under The Dome. They strayed from the book straight away so they could drag it out into multiple seasons and keep twisting the story further.

    Oh well, Artistic Interpretation from those who could not write it let alone dream it all up.
    And also look at what they're doing with our smartphones and the Internet! ...Talk about artistic content!
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    Who is controlling our lives? ...Books, films, paintings, museums, communication companies, TVs, fast food, music, ...?
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    Re: What are you watching?

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    Inception was great. Plus a great sounding movie.
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    And Christopher Nolan is a great director.
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