Charleston Tragedy

[MDP]

I personally want to say how sorry I am for the victims and their families. This is one of the ugliest acts in recent memory.

My prayers will go out to all of them. May God be with them, and with the people of Charleston.

[Mike]

Amen.

[Myles B. Astor]

I think the prayers should go out to those with so much hate in their heart toward their fellow man.

[Vapor1]

The struggle of good men to conquer evil will never end, and this is just another reminder that we must all remain diligent. That battle is fought by good men spreading joy, and never relenting to those who seek to destroy it.

[MDP]

The struggle of good men to conquer evil will never end, and this is just another reminder that we must all remain diligent. That battle is fought by good men spreading joy, and never relenting to those who seek to destroy it.

+1

[LenWhite]

A lost young man who likely grew up in a close knit societal area of ignorance and bigotry.

[XV-1]

Some guns laws would surely help

It ain't the wild West anymore

[Vapor1]

Some guns laws would surely help

It ain't the wild West anymore

Please, don't start that here. Especially if you're not even in the US.

[XV-1]

Please, don't start that here. Especially if you're not even in the US.

Really, why is that?

You don't think America needs tighter guns controls?

What does where I live have to do with anything?

[MDP]

Please, no politics. Let's stay focused on my original post.

[Garth]

They caught the guy that did it now the important thing is that it is over, any retaliation at this point from any point of view is a bad idea. Just remember any bad idea or event can always get bigger and worse. Lets hope that does not happen.

I do not know why he did it lets hope he was acting alone. Tragic for those who lost loved ones. Too bad.

[Vapor1]

They caught the guy that did it now the important thing is that it is over, any retaliation at this point from any point of view is a bad idea. Just remember any bad idea or event can always get bigger and worse. Lets hope that does not happen.

I do not know why he did it lets hope he was acting alone. Tragic for those who lost loved ones. Too bad.

The united stand from the families involved saying they forgive him was impressive, and inspirational. I don't know if I'd have the strength to do the same if it were my wife who was murdered.

[BlueFox]

A lost young man who likely grew up in a close knit societal area of ignorance and bigotry.

This incident bothered me almost as much as the Connecticut school shooting.

I have been referring to this guy as just another dumb-a$$ with a gun.

[Myles B. Astor]

The united stand from the families involved saying they forgive him was impressive, and inspirational. I don't know if I'd have the strength to do the same if it were my wife who was murdered.

Did you read the whole quote?

[Vapor1]

Did you read the whole quote?

From whom? Did I miss something?

[Myles B. Astor]

From whom? Did I miss something?

Well there was a precursor to that statement that tempered the second part IMHO. I saw that clip and then read the whole piece.

[mep]

They caught the guy that did it now the important thing is that it is over, any retaliation at this point from any point of view is a bad idea. Just remember any bad idea or event can always get bigger and worse. Lets hope that does not happen.

I do not know why he did it lets hope he was acting alone. Tragic for those who lost loved ones. Too bad.

He was hoping to pick up where Charles Manson left off and start a race war. He dropped out in the 9th grade and surprise, surprise, he was unemployed. His father in a brilliant stroke of genius bought him the 45 handgun he used to commit the murders for his 21st birthday. His friends said he has been planning this for 6 months. I don't know why they don't arrest them too if they knew something like this was going to happen and they said nothing. The sad thing is that millions of dollars will be spent on his trial and incarceration and if they go for the death penalty, he will probably be in jail for 15-20 years while his appeals make their way through the courts. Too bad he didn't get killed on the spot since his guilt is 100% not in doubt.

[MDP]

Hate crimes of any kind to me are unimaginable.

[Myles B. Astor]

You can't because you are trying to apply logic to where it doesn't exist eg. a disturbed mind. Obviously something is miswired.

[LenWhite]

This incident bothered me almost as much as the Connecticut school shooting.

I have been referring to this guy as just another dumb-a$$ with a gun.

Despicable, stupid, dumb, wasteful, and other words of this type certainly apply to this act. But they don't address the root cause of this type behavior. Children growing up in an environment that fosters prejudice and violence; and an educational system that fails to teach humanity and adequate skills, especially for the impoverished.

[Steve]

There are fractured people all over world. In certain societies harmful individuals have a greater capacity to execute their psychotic tendencies because they have unfetered access to everyday resources that are a cultural way of life. While such conduct is unacceptable to the greater majority, such event frequencies are a tolerated casualty of that macro culture by virtue of fear and unwillingness for that society to change.

[CPP]

What so odd, is this punk had black friends. Also here is the reason he chose Charleston. he said "" “I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.”

Read more here: Dylann Roof: ?Manifesto? found on web? | The State The State

[XV-1]

As long as their is easy access to guns, unfortunately it will continue to happen in the USA.

Australia had its own very bad tragedy in 1996 with 35 people killed. the govt acted very quickly with much harder gun controls. We have not really had these issues since.

Making supply much harder has to make a positive difference.

[Steve]

XV-1....Putting forward that suggestion is very offensive to a large percentage of Americans. People can be as sympathetic as they like but it will never happen as it is so deeply rooted into their culture. Firearm related crime and accident ratios in the USA is an accepted normality for the right to bare arms.

The monetary cost alone for such a constitutional change would be challenging as it may cause an economic collapse and a worldwide recession would ensue.

[BlueFox]

XV-1....Putting forward that suggestion is very offensive to Americans.

No politics, but "to a large percentage of Americans, but not all." is more accurate.

Sorry, it's just the engineer in me.

[rockitman]

Banning guns won't do a thing...there are 100's of millions in the U.S. Laws never stopped a criminal from getting a gun. People who chose to do so have the right to own a gun for protection, hunting and recreational target shooting...responsible gun ownership is an American right.

[XV-1]

XV-1....Putting forward that suggestion is very offensive to a large percentage of Americans. People can be as sympathetic as they like but it will never happen as it is so deeply rooted into their culture. Firearm related crime and accident ratios in the USA is an accepted normality for the right to bare arms.

The monetary cost alone for such a constitutional change would be challenging as it may cause an economic collapse and a worldwide recession would ensue.

Steve

I think you may be doing Americans a disservice by lumping them all into the love guns brigade.

I guess the US president is not an American.

Anyway, cleary the way forward is to keep things the same


I will now sign off on the seemingly unimportant subject matter of tighter gun control.

[Steve]

...there are 100's of millions in the U.S.

I would agree that banning would not do a thing. Maybe category restrictions but also very politically and logistically challenging. I would think the numbers are much higher given population levels, collectibility, specialty and vintage.

[Vapor1]

I'm a huge gun rights advocate. I compete at times, pistol, 3-gun, long range rifle, shotgun, all of it. I build guns, and have taught myself a lot of gunsmithing skills. I reload ammo. I know all the gun laws that are on the books like the back of my hand, and I can recite gun crime statistics for hours.

All that, and I still am not going to make this thread political.

[XV-1]

I'm a huge gun rights advocate. I compete at times, pistol, 3-gun, long range rifle, shotgun, all of it. I build guns, and have taught myself a lot of gunsmithing skills. I reload ammo. I know all the gun laws that are on the books like the back of my hand, and I can recite gun crime statistics for hours.

All that, and I still am not going to make this thread political.

tighter gun controls should not alter this right at all. You can do the same thing in Australia at registered gun clubs and on approved properties.

[Garth]

Charleston is about a young guy making a very bad move that in the long run will change nothing.

Gun control has been tried in Canada, gun registry was and is the biggest mess you ever saw.

The genie is out of the bottle no getting it back. Guns are out there anyone can get one in any country.

The only thing that has changed is families lost loved ones.

[Vapor1]

The real shame is that the family and friends had suspicions that the shooter was unstable. One of his friends even took his gun from him at one point, but then gave it back. Breakdown of the family and community is always a factor in tragedies like this. A strong support system is our first line of defense, that's always been the case through human history. I believe the dramatic increase in prescriptions of psychotropic drugs is directly related to this break down of the support system, and it's impossible to ignore the relationship because those drugs and violence.

This link has been getting a lot of circulation recently, but does illustrate that point whether you fully agree or not - Big list of drug-induced killers

Drugs aren't the problem, just like guns aren't the problem. Erosion of families, love, and support is the problem.

[CPP]

It not about the guns. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols didn't use a gun to kill 168 people and injure over 600 others in the Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal building. Its about deranged/unstable individuals that feel they have a axe to grind against the government, someones way of life or someones pure hate for a race. We do have a problem with guns in this country and it's not that a gun was used in a crime but the weak justice system that allows gun crimes to be treated haphazardly in our courts.

[Mike Lavigne]

it's about guns. x100

300 million guns in the country. any idiot/crazy/bad/angry/rabid person can get one any time they want if they are sufficiently motivated.....and nothing but changing that reality will change the inevitable continual carnage. and considering the agendas that currently exist it's only going to get worse.

using explosives instead of guns does not reduce the effect of millions and millions of guns embedded in the population and more embedded every day. protection for gun ownership is liberating and motivating for some and encouraging to their tendencies for mayhem. our forefathers did not write the 2nd amendment for the purpose it's now used for.

no doubt improved courts and police presence can make small dents in the problem but the scale of the 'bad people' + guns equation is too massive and the human psysche too unpredictable to put a band aid on it.

I don't expect anything to change in my lifetime.

[CPP]

it's about guns. x100

300 million guns in the country. any idiot/crazy/bad/angry/rabid person can get one any time they want if they are sufficiently motivated.....and nothing but changing that reality will change the inevitable continual carnage. and considering the agendas that currently exist it's only going to get worse.

using explosives instead of guns does not reduce the effect of millions and millions of guns embedded in the population and more embedded every day. protection for gun ownership is liberating and motivating for some and encouraging to their tendencies for mayhem. our forefathers did not write the 2nd amendment for the purpose it's now used for.

no doubt improved courts and police presence can make small dents in the problem but the scale of the 'bad people' + guns equation is too massive and the human psysche too unpredictable to put a band aid on it.

I don't expect anything to change in my lifetime.

Yep

[BruceLet]

Drugs aren't the problem, just like guns aren't the problem. Erosion of families, love, and support is the problem.

Well….. I sure wish that those coming from eroded families didn't have guns.

[jdandy]

This political agenda spouting is way off base for this audio forum and is the kind of crap that drives people away. Put a sock in it.

[Mike]

Yup, time to close it down. A sympathetic post about a tragic event has turned into a war.

Back to audio topics.