Lossless Streaming? Say hello to Tidal

**Mike** · September 3, 2014, 09:06 AM

TIDAL - Be the First to Try High Fidelity Music Streaming

Oslo, Norway – 3rd September, 2014 – WiMP HiFi, the award-winning Scandinavian music streaming service, today announced it will introduce TIDAL - TIDAL - Be the First to Try High Fidelity Music Streaming - to the UK and the U.S. later this autumn. Unlike any other service currently on the market, TIDAL will offer high fidelity sound quality, high definition music videos and curated editorial by experienced music journalists.

TIDAL, which will be available across iOS, Android, network players and PC/Macs, will offer true high fidelity lossless sound quality, a prerequisite to enjoying music the way it was intended by the artists. Music will be available in FLAC on all platforms apart from iOS, where ALAC (Apple Lossless) is used, and available to stream in 44.1 kHz / 16 bit (1411kbps). For a single monthly subscription, TIDAL is the first to offer both quantity and quality with an extensive music library of 25 million-plus tracks, streaming at more than twice the bit rate of competitive services. TIDAL subscribers will also be able to watch more than 75,000 high definition (HD) music videos, all ad-free. TIDAL’s editors hand pick the music presented in the service, personally selecting and showcasing the best new albums and tracks across all genres every day and provide:
Album spotlights such as Album of The Week, Classical Album of the Month and HiFi Album of The Month
Playlists with a mission to educate, entertain, and enrich the music experience via in-depth knowledge
Close-ups on artists, labels, sub-genres and historical eras
Weekly playlists that present highlights from this week's news and top recommended tracks
Weekly artist interviews, magazine features and daily magazine articles
“TIDAL reflects our mission to deliver the highest quality music streaming service,” said CEO Andy Chen. “From making sure there’s no loss in sound quality to telling the stories behind the creation of the music, we aim to maximise the listening experience. We are catering to people who really appreciate the quality things in life, whether that is music, sound or lifestyle, because quality should not be compromised and because music fans now demand more from their music service.”

As well as live streaming, users can also store music offline by downloading tracks to their preferred devices in the same CD quality format. Where bandwidth rates are reduced, such as when streaming on the move, users can choose to listen to the full catalogue at a lower bitrate, as two alternative streaming formats are also available – High (AAC 320kbps) and Standard (AAC+ 96).

TIDAL’s owners launched its original editorial-based music streaming service as WiMP in Scandinavia in 2010 when the music industry was in transition. Consumers embraced the ease of use and four years later the market is once again growing, with streaming accounting for over 70% of recorded music revenues. The HiFi-edition of WiMP was introduced in 2013.

"Initially, streaming was all about access to everything, everywhere, which many services now provide. TIDAL is not just another one of those providers. From the start, we knew that music streaming is not just about millions of tracks or thousands of playlists. Instead, it is about the ultimate music experience that makes you want to stop and listen. Rather than remaining in the background to some other activity, music deserves to take centre stage with quality at its heart," added Chen.

As an advertisement-free, lossless, CD-quality music and HD video streaming service with extensive curated editorial expertise, TIDAL will be available in the UK and the U.S. for a monthly subscription of £19.99 / $19.99 starting later this autumn. To sign up to be one of the first to experience true high fidelity streaming, visit the TIDAL website at TIDAL - Be the First to Try High Fidelity Music Streaming. TIDAL is initially tailored for the UK and U.S markets.

TIDAL music streaming experience at a glance:
More than 25 million music tracks in lossless quality (FLAC/ALAC 44.1kHz / 16 bit - 1411 kbps)
More than 75,000 HD music videos
Tailor made editorial provided by experienced music journalists
Dedicated apps available for iOS and Android devices
Web player for PC/MAC
Support for a wide range of home music network players

**Shadowfax** · September 3, 2014, 09:27 AM

Cool, Lets hope OPPO ads the needed interface at some point.

**CPP** · September 3, 2014, 09:42 AM

From what I found http://www.aspiro.com/aspiro-group/p...sion-id=920882

TIDAL is a subproduct from Aspiro, can't wait to see their catalog

**joeinid** · September 3, 2014, 11:43 AM

I signed up! Can't wait. Thanks Mike.

**rrwmd** · September 3, 2014, 01:47 PM

Signed up. Thanks Mike.

**-E-** · September 3, 2014, 02:10 PM

Good luck. US infrastructure is not built for this. Netflix and Amazon Prime have already freaked out ISPs - imagine what this would do to them now that we're including portable devices...

In old grumbly man speak:
Get 'erf mah lawn (internet bandwidth).

**socfan12** · September 3, 2014, 09:05 PM

Signed up. Should be interesting.

**Djn04** · September 3, 2014, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by -E-

Good luck. US infrastructure is not built for this. Netflix and Amazon Prime have already freaked out ISPs - imagine what this would do to them now that we're including portable devices...

In old grumbly man speak:
Get 'erf mah lawn (internet bandwidth).

Streaming flac uses 1/5 the bandwidth of Netflix hd. I would think the ISPs would be happy to have us streaming the soundtrack to top gun instead of the hd movie.

**-E-** · September 4, 2014, 01:34 PM

The only problem is your "instead." (It's not.)

**Djn04** · September 4, 2014, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by -E-

The only problem is your "instead." (It's not.)

I think of streaming differently than I do downloading. With streaming you're doing one or the other. I don't think anyone is streaming Top Gun in HD while streaming the soundtrack at the same time. There are only so many hours in the day to stream and I think ISPs would prefer us to stream flac files instead of HD video.

The problem with infrastructure is not a lack of ability but a lack of competition. The ISPs have no reason to build out the infrastructure without serious competition. If Google fiber started popping up across the country Netflix sputtering on traditional ISPs would be a thing of the past.

What's really going to get ISPs freaked out (and by this I mean excited to enforce data caps and overage charges) is when 4k streaming and downloading takes off. Until h.265 is widely adopted 4k stream will require 20 times the bandwidth of flac streaming.

Netflix streamed 5 billion hours of video last year I don't think the ISPs are worried about the strain from Tidal and their flac files.

**MusicDirector** · September 6, 2014, 07:59 PM

My personal take on this:

This may be interesting, if it worked out. However, I don’t think it will make it in the U.S. The problem is bandwidth access and infrastructure.
The ISPs don’t invest anything into the internet infrastructure and what is there is choked down by said ISPs. They do not allow access to any available true broadband in the U.S. and are not likely to anytime in the future due to purchased legislation. Just look at the Comcast/Time Warner deal coming for instance.
This is a sad state of affairs seeing that all of Europe and pretty much the rest of the developing world has far greater broadband even in the far reaches than the U.S and less expensive.
It does say that “where bandwidth rates are reduced” & “users can listen to the full catalog at 320kbps and 96”. That describes the bandwidth infrastructure of the U.S. almost in its entirety, so users in the US won’t see the claimed rates unless the compression is such that it does not take up too much bandwidth. I also already get 320kbps with Spotify premium, so why would I want to pay double for the same thing as it currently stands?
That said though it does mention that “TIDAL is initially tailored for the UK and US markets”. I wonder what that means? For instance, the UK has the broadband requirements for it, but the U.S. does not. So do they mean just the music itself is tailored?

In reading what info there is on it, it looks very much like Beats which I want no part of. It makes me very leery reading about “tailor made editorial provided by experienced music journalists” and Editors hand pick the music” and “Integrated Magazine” and such. I don’t want my music selected for me, I’m more than adequately skilled in that area. It is one thing to “suggest” or “recommend”, but “hand pick for” is entirely different. I also do not need to mouse around a messy magazine to get to the music.
I see judging by the website for TIDAL that there is no Trial period (again much like Beats), they just want you to blindly sign up and start paying and it may be as hard to cancel as cable, should the service not meet expectations and needs.
I also note that exactly like Beats, they don’t provide any info on the website listing features and what have you. Nowhere does it say anything about users being able to create their own playlists, which for me, is a must have. In fact, there is very little info, just like Beats did before its launch. The user did not get any info until they signed up and for those whom where not with MOG, they did not get even a paltry 7 day trial.

$20 per month is not all that terrible if the service truly provides and one wants to have it as a main source, but for me personally, not only is too much for what it is, but more importantly, that is too much for my use of streaming audio. I don’t formally listen to streaming audio or use it as a main source. I use it for research, casual listening and “try before buy”.

At the end of the day I do wish the U.S. had the capacity to handle something like this because frankly, I’d like to give it a whirl myself if they have a free trial of any length (even two days would be fine enough) and compare it to say, Spotify premium. However, that can’t happen under current conditions.

**Mike** · October 9, 2014, 10:09 AM

TIDAL Prepares For Launch And Announces Integration With First 16 Home Audio Brands

9th October 2014 – Oslo, Norway – TIDAL, the first high fidelity music streaming service with HD music videos and curated editorial, today announced the partnership and integration of TIDAL into products from 16 of the best known home audio brands. In preparation for the upcoming UK and U.S. launch, TIDAL is working closely with its integration partners to ensure that music lovers will be able to register and experience the catalogue of 25 million-plus tracks, streaming at HiFi, lossless sound quality, on some of the world’s best known home audio products.

To experience TIDAL at its finest, Sonos, Denon HEOS, Harman Omni, Bluesound & NAD, Meridian, Auralic, Electrocompaniet, Simple Audio, Raumfeld, Dynaudio, Audiovector, Pro-ject, Airable by Tune In Media, HiFiAkademie and ickStream will all have products that seamlessly work with TIDAL, with users just needing to sign up to the service for access. With many more household names to be announced shortly across a wide variety of platforms, TIDAL is already recognised by the audio industry for the quality of its performance and easy integration.

Commenting on the partnerships, Andy Chen, CEO at TIDAL, said: “The reaction from the home audio industry to TIDAL has been exceptional and we are really excited that our first 16 confirmed partners are such highly-considered brands in the industry. Experiencing TIDAL on high-quality home audio systems and headphones proves just how good high-quality music streaming can sound. We will therefore offer TIDAL across the broadest selection of home audio systems with these premium partners and more to come.”

As an advertisement-free, lossless, CD-quality music and HD music video streaming service with extensive curated editorial expertise, TIDAL will be available in the UK and the U.S. for a monthly subscription of £19.99 / $19.99 starting later this autumn. To sign up to be one of the first to experience true high fidelity streaming, visit the TIDAL website at TIDAL - True High Fidelity Music Streaming. TIDAL is initially tailored for the UK and U.S markets.

Notes to Editors

TIDAL music streaming experience at a glance:

More than 25 million music tracks in lossless quality (FLAC/ALAC 44.1kHz / 16 bit - 1411 kbps)
More than 75,000 music videos
Tailor made editorial provided by experienced music journalists
Dedicated apps available for iOS and Android phones and tablets
Web player for PC/MAC
Support for a wide range of home music network players
Follow Tidal at http://facebook.com/tidalhifi and http://twitter.com/tidalhifi

TIDAL will be available initially in the UK and the US. The music licensing agreement for TIDAL enables future launches in a total of over 50 countries.

**MusicDirector** · October 9, 2014, 12:02 PM

Ok, I stand corrected about TIDAL perhaps not making it in the US due to bandwidth and infrastructure issues as they claim to be tailor made for US and UK. They have obviously worked something out, which is kind of exciting.

Personally, TIDAL would not be for me though. I don't like music videos (only took 6 months from first launch for me to get sick of MTV and the rest back in the day). I also don't like having my music curated or dictated for me. I do a good job of that myself, thank you. That's why I did not sign up for Beats Music as a former MOG subscriber. I now have Spotify and they let you shut down all communication form them including recommendations and everything and even let you do private sessions. It's great, I never hear from them even when I open up my desktop player. I am not interested in other people's playlists in an obsessive way, nor do I share mine. I don't take any stock in what some reviewer has to say about a song or album, I'd rather hear for myself and decide if I like it or not.
Just not worth it for me personally, even if it was free. However, all that is just personal preference.
That being said, I still find it kind of exciting considering the whole "lossless streaming" claim and would not mind taking a look at it for curiosity sake, but that won't happen. They don't offer a free trial and I don't have anything that will work with TIDAL outside of a computer.

**bpw** · October 9, 2014, 02:34 PM

Those attending RMAF this week will be able to speak with representatives of TIDAL, who have their own room and will be participating in a seminar at 3 different times with Chris Connaker of Computer Audiophile.

**Mike** · October 9, 2014, 03:05 PM

Eric - how are they dictating music to you? Pandora free does that - but none of the $10/month paid services like Spotify.

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**MusicDirector** · October 9, 2014, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Eric - how are they dictating music to you? Pandora free does that - but none of the $10/month paid services like Spotify.

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Yes, not a big fan of Pandora myself. True, none of the other demand services do that per se'. They may use a math algorithm to create "recommendations", but they also provide an easy way to avoid that or turn it off though it doesn't really interfere with what you want to do. Besides "recommendations" are not the same thing.

It's just that I translate "curated" as "dictated" after my battle with Beats Music. Beats Music advertised the same sort of thing except not lossless of course, and I spent weeks talking to them everyday as they were trying to get me to join as a former MOG user. I kept telling them I was not interested in the service and they kept after me. (I think my mistake was responding to them in the first place). I kept proving my point over and over until one day I formally told them to cease and desist from emailing me and I was contacted by the big cheese himself (That Ian guy)! We had a very cordial discussion and he was nice and apologized for the sales team. He admitted to me that they do indeed choose the music for the customer to listen to through their human curation based on the activities and mood the user selects. He also stated that the service is more social media than true On-demand music streaming service by design, but that they wanted to provide a big library for more music to fit customers moods and activities they pick when they log in. Well, we saw how long that lasted. It did not even make it 1 year.

That's why now whenever I see the word Curation in description of a music service and whatnot, it scares me and I read it as someone telling me what I like and do not like. I'm also able to find new music on my own very well. I think anyone can do that with relative ease. To me "on-Demand" means I choose what I want to listen to or watch without road blocks and such.

In my case, if TIDAL allowed users to shut everything down like Spotify does, that would relieve every concern in that direction and I would maybe try it if they had an easy to end free trial period. 7 days would be enough in my book. However, they don't offer that as far as I know and there is virtually no info on the website.

Again though, this is all just me personally, my personal fears of it. There are many who would dig the service in spite of any doomsday scenario like that and that's great. If it is not the way I think it is, I still could never sign up for the service because I may not have the gear to use it. I don't hook my laptop PC up to my system because the sound quality of my PC is awful as a source (garbage in, garbage out). I fear I'd need at least $12k in equipment to make it work right. (Convertors, outboard dacs, etc). I'd want to be able to really hear it for what it claims.

**MusicDirector** · October 9, 2014, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by bpw

Those attending RMAF this week will be able to speak with representatives of TIDAL, who have their own room and will be participating in a seminar at 3 different times with Chris Connaker of Computer Audiophile.

Nice! I bet those will be well attended. Hmm, I wonder if the same thing will be at the west coast SHOW next June?

**bpw** · October 9, 2014, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by MusicDirector

Nice! I bet those will be well attended. Hmm, I wonder if the same thing will be at the west coast SHOW next June?

It wouldn't be surprising. I expect to see more of this sort of thing, certainly at CES in January.

**MusicDirector** · October 10, 2014, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by bpw

It wouldn't be surprising. I expect to see more of this sort of thing, certainly at CES in January.

If I am going and it is going to be a part of the SHOW seminars or whatever, I'd attend it.

**bpw** · October 10, 2014, 11:38 AM

Don't quote me on it, but I'd figure on it happening.

**Steve** · October 10, 2014, 11:42 AM

Telstra are already rolling out 4G+ in Australian CBDs which will push out up to 300Mbps. This has the potential to outstrip wired services. Lossless portable streaming is set to become defacto.

**joeinid** · October 28, 2014, 12:16 PM

Update:

I just signed up for my Tidal subscription. Wow! It sounds awesome! Very noticeable improvement over Spotify and the others. I'm just trying to see how much music is available. I am not sure how track count compares. I think the monthly is $20. Seems worth it right now.

**bpw** · October 28, 2014, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Update:

I just signed up for my Tidal subscription. Wow! It sounds awesome! Very noticeable improvement over Spotify and the others. I'm just trying to see how much music is available. I am not sure how track count compares. I think the monthly is $20. Seems worth it right now.

Good news, Joe! I'm awaiting notification from Aurender regarding updates of their server and iPad software to take full advantage. I had the privilege of experiencing WiMP (same thing as Tidal) on an X100L in their private room at RMAF. Remarkable.

**Mike** · October 28, 2014, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Update:

I just signed up for my Tidal subscription. Wow! It sounds awesome! Very noticeable improvement over Spotify and the others. I'm just trying to see how much music is available. I am not sure how track count compares. I think the monthly is $20. Seems worth it right now.

+1. Great app. Incredible selection. Found most albums tested so far are Redbook quality.

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**Benson** · October 28, 2014, 06:38 PM

Mike, Are you using the iPad app for Tidal and just selecting your lumin as the output?

**Mike** · October 28, 2014, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Benson

Mike, Are you using the iPad app for Tidal and just selecting your lumin as the output?

Yes

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**Benson** · October 28, 2014, 07:58 PM

Any chance this will be implemented into the lumin app?

**Mike** · October 28, 2014, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Benson

Any chance this will be implemented into the lumin app?

Highly unlikely and kind of unnecessary if you think about it. The Tidal app is great....especially for their first crack at things.

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**joeinid** · October 28, 2014, 08:17 PM

Just use the Tidal iPad app and AirPlay. Works SUPERBLY for me.

Originally Posted by Mike

Highly unlikely and kind of unnecessary if you think about it. The Tidal app is great....especially for their first crack at things.

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**Mike** · October 28, 2014, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Just use the Tidal iPad app and AirPlay. Works SUPERBLY for me.

+1

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**ICTWoody** · October 29, 2014, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Just use the Tidal iPad app and AirPlay. Works SUPERBLY for me.

What are you streaming to with AirPlay? Airport Express?

- Woody

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**Mike** · October 29, 2014, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by ICTWoody

What are you streaming to with AirPlay? Airport Express?

- Woody

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His Lumin A1.

**Elescher** · October 29, 2014, 08:55 AM

Does anyone know if the Bryston BDP-2 will stream the Tidal service?

**Mike** · October 29, 2014, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Elescher

Does anyone know if the Bryston BDP-2 will stream the Tidal service?

If you can hook a PC/Mac up to it, I can't imagine why not. But I don't know the product well enough. Maybe not??

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**joeinid** · October 29, 2014, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by ICTWoody

What are you streaming to with AirPlay? Airport Express?

- Woody

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Originally Posted by Mike

His Lumin A1.

Yes, I am using my Lumin A1. Sounds great. So far the best streaming quality.

Originally Posted by Mike

If you can hook a PC/Mac up to it, I can't imagine why not. But I don't know the product well enough. Maybe not??

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If you are using a browser, I think the only requirement is Google Chrome. I think it needs flash.

https://tidalsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

**mep** · October 29, 2014, 03:07 PM

For you guys who do streaming, are you using this as background noise, er, I mean background music or are you sitting down in your listening chair with your favorite beverage seriously listening to streaming music?

**KeithR** · October 29, 2014, 04:21 PM

not sure why it costs 2x more than Spotify. should be the same price to be competitive. mainstream listeners don't know the difference?

**joeinid** · October 29, 2014, 04:40 PM

I think it chews up more bandwidth and might cost more to serve the files as well. The step up is more than noticeable and well worth the extra to me. The average person will not know or care, but I think the target market is different.

Originally Posted by KeithR

not sure why it costs 2x more than Spotify. should be the same price to be competitive. mainstream listeners don't know the difference?

**Mike** · October 29, 2014, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by KeithR

not sure why it costs 2x more than Spotify. should be the same price to be competitive. mainstream listeners don't know the difference?

Serious? Because of the quality. Users who don't want steak, can stick with hamburger. Tidal is a HiFi company (speakers, amps) - they made a tremendous effort in delivering what many of us audiophiles have wanted. Hi Res streaming.

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**joeinid** · October 29, 2014, 04:41 PM

Music in all forms makes me happy.

Originally Posted by mep

For you guys who do streaming, are you using this as background noise, er, I mean background music or are you sitting down in your listening chair with your favorite beverage seriously listening to streaming music?

**Mike** · October 29, 2014, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by mep

For you guys who do streaming, are you using this as background noise, er, I mean background music or are you sitting down in your listening chair with your favorite beverage seriously listening to streaming music?

Both. I love exploring new artists and albums I've never heard of and now can hear them in at least Redbook quality. $240/year is 12 CD's.

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**mep** · October 29, 2014, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Serious? Because of the quality. Users who don't want steak, can stick with hamburger. Tidal is a HiFi company (speakers, amps) - they made a tremendous effort in delivering what many of us audiophiles have wanted. Hi Res streaming.

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Are you speaking comparatively because I thought Tidal is only streaming at RBCD quality?

**Mike** · October 29, 2014, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by mep

Are you speaking comparatively because I thought Tidal is only streaming at RBCD quality?

Yes....compared to 320k - the most offered by anyone else - its hi res.

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**KeithR** · October 29, 2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Serious? Because of the quality. Users who don't want steak, can stick with hamburger. Tidal is a HiFi company (speakers, amps) - they made a tremendous effort in delivering what many of us audiophiles have wanted. Hi Res streaming.

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If its just for audiophiles, then it won't exist for long is my point. Tidal isn't doing this for our tiny market- costs too much.

btw, Spotify hasn't turned a profit since inception and has like 10 million paid subscribers and still can't breakeven. this is a tough, tough business. i wish Tidal good luck.

**Mike** · October 29, 2014, 07:57 PM

Amazon didn't turn a profit for years and all the naysayers said it wouldn't fly. Now Amazon is dictating to USPS to deliver packages on Sunday.

Once people realize there is better than MP3's, Tidal or similar will take off.

I remember discussing MOG and Spotify with people a year ago and they looked at me sideways. Now the guys in my hockey locker room were all talking about Spotify last night. These are guys who love to have Spotify streaming all day while they are at work. I told them about Tidal and they were interested. Whether they pony up another $10/month remains to be seen....but I believe, as with TV's, once people experience higher definition, they won't go back.

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**Mike** · October 31, 2014, 11:40 AM

I have to say, I am just loving Tidal. SQ is excellent for streaming services (equal to 16/44.1) and the selection is quite impressive too. Streaming to the Lumin from the Tidal iPad app is a winner.

Anyone interested, to output to your Lumin (or other device), click on the song playing and then the icon shown blue here.

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**mdkim** · October 31, 2014, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I have to say, I am just loving Tidal. SQ is excellent for streaming services (equal to 16/44.1) and the selection is quite impressive too. Streaming to the Lumin from the Tidal iPad app is a winner.

Anyone interested, to output to your Lumin (or other device), click on the song playing and then the icon shown blue here.

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I hope Lumin can add apps like Tidal (or even Spotify, Pandora for that matter) in the not too distant future. I've always heard a degrading of sound via airplay (streaming redbook from my iPad v. something played from NAS). I think we debated whether the data was streaming or if was decoded by the DAC in the i-device a few times. I don't recall if we reached a conclusive answer. Anyways, the service looks interesting.

**Mike** · October 31, 2014, 01:44 PM

I've sent a note to Li to see if they can build it right into the Lumin app. But Mike, try the streaming from the iPad Tidal app to the Lumin. Sounds great.

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**bpw** · October 31, 2014, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by bpw

Good news, Joe! I'm awaiting notification from Aurender regarding updates of their server and iPad software to take full advantage. I had the privilege of experiencing WiMP (same thing as Tidal) on an X100L in their private room at RMAF. Remarkable.

They have put the upgrades on the servers here, and I'm awaiting info on the iPad app. The final release versions are planned for later this year.

Their iPad app easily toggles between music stored locally and that from Tidal, so your playlists can include both. You can search on any field, including composer and conductor, which are important to classical music listeners. With Tidal streaming selected there are tabs to view recommendations, genres, moods, and new and recommended playlists.

I should have this to demo at least on the X100L at next Saturday's open house.

**mdkim** · October 31, 2014, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

I've sent a note to Li to see if they can build it right into the Lumin app. But Mike, try the streaming from the iPad Tidal app to the Lumin. Sounds great.

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Will do Mike.

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