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    Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    While small ensembles (jazz or classical) sound like they're in the room with me, I haven't been able to get seats in the 10th row or closer for orchestral music with the Mezzo XDs. Seem to be stuck with a midhall presentation, which was not at all the case with Salon2's in approximately the same position.
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    room is 17x38
    speaker fronts are 6.5' from front wall; toed in so I can see just a smidge of the inner sidewall (eg pointing approx at shoulders)
    speakers and seat approx 10' triangle, but I once tried moving the sofa back 4' without much improvement
    peak db when listening to orchestral typically no more than 95 -- multi-purpose room, so while there's till plenty of headroom in the amps I'd say the limiting factor is the energy in the room

    Any Mezzo-owning classical listeners having a different experience?

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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    First all, congrats on your Mezzo XD.

    Are they even broken in ? Also may I see the pic of your set up and gear ? Thanks in advance

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    Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    When I listen to large scale classical on the AG’s, I hear much more of the hall than I do with any other speaker. This is in large part due to their very high efficiency which produces a lot more of the micro details in the recording, even down to people whispering at a concert like some of the “Live at the Sands” recordings. So hearing more of the hall, could give one the impression of 10th row instead of 1st row.

    That being said, although I don’t listen to a lot of large scale classical music, I have never felt like “first row” with any recording or system - only actually being there at the symphony did I experience that. YMMV.
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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    They're broken in



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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    Very nice!
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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    Thanks.

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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    I had the same problem, too recessed images on a lot of music. While I have taken many acoustic measures to get to a more involving presentation, I would initially suggest a large wool carpet (not synthetic fiber) in the front half of the room, from speakers to front wall where your TV/rack is located. You want to have a dead end/live end situation in your room, with the dead end being the front half, and the live end the rear half, where you sit. Since at 10 feet distance you sit not close to the speakers, the carpet might stretch even further toward your listening position. You could also play with a wool carpet speakers to front wall, and then an additional wool carpet between speakers and your seat (if I judge correctly from the images, you already have a carpet in front of the speakers; you could play with the material as well, i.e. wool instead of synthetic if that is not already the case).

    Currently you have a quite reflective surface with all the exposed wood floor, which leads to a live front end and thus recessed imaging.

    It is good when a system reveals a lot of hall information; adjustment of room acoustics help in shaping the desired presentation. Better than when all the acoustic low-level information is not revealed in the first place, and the system sounds upfront just because of a lack of this information.
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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    Thanks Al. The carpet is wool, stretching from just below the speakerfront to under the couch -- so the floor between speaker and listening position is covered. The back of the room is 20 feet behind the listening position -- this 20 feet is basically the breakfast area and kitchen, so it's live.
    As noted, Salon2's -- cone'n'dome -- gave a more involving, enveloping experience of large-scale music. Mike has suggested I try sitting closer, which seems counter-intuitive with horns, but we'll see ... I don't want to lose the sense of "they-are-here" realism I currently get with smaller ensemble music in the room.
    This is a multi-purpose room, so typical acoustic treatments really aren't an option. I have a suspicion that with horns in a better acoustically controlled environment I could play at more realistic SPL's, thus getting 10th row or closer effect. (And I could go deaf if not careful ...) But the sound in this room tends to start getting ragged around the mid-90s, well below true orchestral peaks. I didn't measure the Revel's SPL's when I was getting the more satisfying experience, but my guess is the cone and domes did a better, or different (?), job of translating the recording venue ambiance into my room.
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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    Quote Originally Posted by pdub View Post
    Thanks Al. The carpet is wool, stretching from just below the speakerfront to under the couch -- so the floor between speaker and listening position is covered. The back of the room is 20 feet behind the listening position -- this 20 feet is basically the breakfast area and kitchen, so it's live.
    As noted, Salon2's -- cone'n'dome -- gave a more involving, enveloping experience of large-scale music. Mike has suggested I try sitting closer, which seems counter-intuitive with horns, but we'll see ... I don't want to lose the sense of "they-are-here" realism I currently get with smaller ensemble music in the room.
    This is a multi-purpose room, so typical acoustic treatments really aren't an option. I have a suspicion that with horns in a better acoustically controlled environment I could play at more realistic SPL's, thus getting 10th row or closer effect. (And I could go deaf if not careful ...) But the sound in this room tends to start getting ragged around the mid-90s, well below true orchestral peaks. I didn't measure the Revel's SPL's when I was getting the more satisfying experience, but my guess is the cone and domes did a better, or different (?), job of translating the recording venue ambiance into my room.
    Parker
    You're welcome, Parker. Sitting closer might help, playing at higher SPL long-term is probably not great for your ears. You might want to think about moving the wool carpet between speakers and listening seat towards the front wall, and instead having a synthetic fiber carpet where you now have the wool carpet, so that the acoustics there are more live. Having a more pronounced dead end/live end version of room acoustics will only help with they-are-here" realism with smaller ensemble music as well.

    The current configuration of carpet/bare wood floor is almost certainly one reason -- if not the main reason -- for the more recessed presentation that you do not like.
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    Re: Mezzo XD presentation of orchestral music

    Thanks for the pics. Great looking room.

    I would suggest toed in bit more ( tweeter pointing to your ears ) mine I don’t see the inner side speakers.

    How is your Dsp settings look alike ?

 

 
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