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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Mike.......Innovation is not synonymous with improvement. The claim to being innovative often creates the impression that improvements are a natural part of a design change but changes and alterations are not necessarily advancements in performance. When it comes to generating sales and cash flow, the primary driving force for company health, something as novel as altering appearance can be hailed as a performance break through, especially once the advertising department gets finished with the ad, when in fact it was simply an aesthetic alteration that took place. A new look can trigger sales as quickly as a genuine performance enhancement. This is evident in many turntables, particularly entry and mid level ones. One look at Pro-Ject and Rega turntables among others is all it takes to see how slight alterations in appearance drive pricing without truly raising the performance bar from model to model. This changes, of course, with their top models.

    I don't think it is paramount that a high-end store display a wide selection of premium high-end turntables but the showrooms should include at least two high quality turntable/tonearm rigs to set a benchmark for what can be achieved. You will still need to cater to newbee's and hipsters at some level so that everyone has an opportunity to have there desires met within specific budgets. These turntables are only used as an example, but something like a Clearaudio Innovation and Avid Acutus to audition, plus a several entry level turntables from the same companies or others would provide a sufficient selection. Having your line card provide access to other manufacturer's turntables, tonearms, and phono cartridges would be icing on the cake.
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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Mike -

    IMHO, i don't think you need another line. With Rega, VPI and Kronos you have products from $1K to over $50K. Unless, you wanted to represent a line in the $100K range - e.g. Air Force level.

    I do like the AMG tables and SME products are built to last forever and sound fantastic.

    The question, is there a price gap you are trying to fill?

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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Mike -

    IMHO, i don't think you need another line. With Rega, VPI and Kronos you have products from $1K to over $50K. Unless, you wanted to represent a line in the $100K range - e.g. Air Force level.

    I do like the AMG tables and SME products are built to last forever and sound fantastic.

    The question, is there a price gap you are trying to fill?

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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    You could support another American company - Spiral Groove. Allen Perkins is the bees knees in every regard. I had three tables (amg v12, clearaudio innovation wood with battery supply, and SG 1.2). Based on engineering, sound, interface etc i deemed Spiral Groove the best and sold the other two. You could also add something a bit different above Rega and below the others - Luxman. Or for smaller footprint the Thales line.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dpod4 View Post
    You could support another American company - Spiral Groove. Allen Perkins is the bees knees in every regard. I had three tables (amg v12, clearaudio innovation wood with battery supply, and SG 1.2). Based on engineering, sound, interface etc i deemed Spiral Groove the best and sold the other two. You could also add something a bit different above Rega and below the others - Luxman. Or for smaller footprint the Thales line.


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    Excellent choice. Spiral Groove is a company that maintains its product line in tact - which helps it's legacy and they sound really good. They do bring out new products from time to time, that are genuinely better sounding
    Perhaps Mike could bring Spiral Groove buzz back to the hifi world
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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    Excellent choice. Spiral Groove is a company that maintains its product line in tact - which helps it's legacy and they sound really good. They do bring out new products from time to time, that are genuinely better sounding
    Perhaps Mike could bring Spiral Groove buzz back to the hifi world
    I am happy to make the intro if Mike wants me to.


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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    We keep reading how vinyl is making great strides in terms of new sales. Turntable sales are up. People are loving vinyl.

    But has this new love transferred over to high end audio?

    As I looked for a turntable brand to position between VPI/Rega and Kronos, I kept running into great high end brands that looked to be on their last legs or others that were "here today, gone tomorrow".

    A few examples: SME and Avid. I absolutely LOVE both these products. But....

    Even AMG was all the rage 2 years ago and now it seems a little quiet.

    And let me clarify for the record, these are ALL great products, great companies, but they aren't talked about very much any more.

    Why? What gives?
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    So, how good is the Acutus? I've heard it briefly at a dealer's, but that was too short an audition to tell.


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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Quote Originally Posted by XV-1 View Post
    Major Update to AVID Acutus Reference Turntable!


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    I love Avid TT's. I owned one a few years ago and still miss it.


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    Re: Turntables - fall from grace?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I love Avid TT's. I owned one a few years ago and still miss it.


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    Interesting Jeff has heard Kronos and Avid. And bought two Avid's.
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